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I hope this works and provides cheap, clean ways to have chicken nuggets. But that's a long way off because we don't even have a way of doing it cheaply or clea
by ebbv 9y ago
I hope this works and provides cheap, clean ways to have chicken nuggets. But that's a long way off because we don't even have a way of doing it cheaply or cleanly right now, let alone have a product that people actually want to eat that is also cheap and clean.
In the mean time, I think this is the wrong way to try to solve the issue. Raising a few chickens is not a big deal. I live in rural Michigan, many of my neighbors have chickens with no real environmental impact and not much cost at all.
All of the problems come from industrialized livestock practices. If we simply outlawed those practices, and/or put huge taxes and tariffs on the products the issue would solve itself (in that the monetary cost of meat would reflect its real costs, and consumption would drop accordingly.)
- neaden 9y agoThe problem is that people like eating lots of chicken and will not be happy about suddenly paying more, whether it is through taxes or increased cost from regulations. In the US alone we killed 9 billion chickens a year, or about 28 chickens per person. Some of that meat is exported, but at the end of the day I think this is a problem that can only be addressed by working with the demand.
- ebbv 9y agoThey won't like it but tough beans. People don't like a lot of things we have to change for the better of society. Not doing things because people won't like them is why so many things are screwed up right now.
- neaden 9y agoBut we exist in a democracy. Outside of the Supreme Court we don't really have a good way of making unpopular things happen. Congress is not going to pass a meat tax anytime soon, neither party is close to supporting it.
- ebbv 9y agoWell I know this is gonna sound absolutely bonkers but; our leaders could actually lead for a change... I know it's an insane thought but it has been done in the past to great effect.
- dfabulich 9y agoThere's a really good video about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
- ebbv 9y agoIt's cool how people think CGP Grey is a scholar on so many topics just because he sounds calm and confident when he talks. It's like a stick figure hypno toad.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago> people think CGP Grey is a scholar on so many topics just because he sounds calm and confident His "Rules for Rulers" video is an excellent summary of The Dictator's Handbook [1], itself a summary of well-regarded selectorate theory [2]. I have yet to watch a CPG Grey video which does not honestly separate fact from opinion, and ensure the former is well sourced. His delivery is excellent. But that, alone, is not substitute for well-written and -researched material. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Politics/dp/1610391845 https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Po... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selectorate_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selectorate_theory
- ebbv 9y agoSome of his videos are better than others. But his videos are as slanted towards his view as anything else. What facts you present and how you present them is both a conscious and unconscious result of your own worldview (some things you will see as relevant or irrelevant, and some things you won't even be aware of because of who you are and what you've read, etc.) But regardless, replying to someone with "Hey watch this 40 minute CGP Grey video which explains why you're wrong." is both hilarious and insulting on multiple levels.
- koolba 9y ago> They won't like it but tough beans. People don't like a lot of things we have to change for the better of society. IMHO it's not a better society when we're forcing people to eat synthetic meat grown in a lab. If you've got a real winner on cost, taste, or ecological impact, then compete in the open market and make a better chicken nugget.
- Malic 9y agoIt's a marketing problem. Take pearls. A natural pearl seems like something you would prefer. But a cultured pearl is more uniform in size/shape/color and more desirable. What would need to happen is to push the idea that cultured chicken meat is more uniform in quality (well, assuming that it will be.)
- ebbv 9y agoI'm not advocating forcing people to eat anything. I'm advocating making the price of things (including meat) reflect their actual cost instead of allowing producers to offset those costs on the rest of us and future generations (e.g. by dumping the waste from thousands of chickens in public water systems.)
- kevin_thibedeau 9y agoThere's no shortage of demand from vegetarians and vegans considering all the meat-shaped tofu you can buy today at elevated prices. Manufactured meat is preferable to supplements and it's going to sell.
- petecox 9y agoI agree on the elevated prices but assumed that it was avoiding the social stigma of turning up to a BBQ empty-handed. Lentil/chickpea burgers are often delicious but those faux sausages tend to be bloody awful! :) But rather than eat lab meat, maybe people would migrate to plant-based substitutes such as jackfruit, reported yesterday, 'I think there's meat in my burger and I'm vegan': http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2018-01-02/jackfruit-finding-niche-as-meat-alternative/9254528 http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2018-01-02/jackfruit-findin...