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Outcry as YouTube star Logan Paul posts video of dead body in Japan

24 points by tareqak 9y ago

tareqak 9y ago
Techmeme summary: Justin McCurry / The Guardian: YouTube star Logan Paul sparked outrage by posting a now-removed video of an alleged suicide victim in a Japanese forest Could those who downvote this comment please explain why you did so? I try to provide extra context for those who come across this submission, which I get from Techmeme. (I will admit that this particular summary adds very little arguably).
- jasonkostempski 9y ago
  You did this on 2 articles in a row that I've read. Looks like Techmeme spam.
  - tareqak 9y ago
    Yeah, I submitted this article, which was linked in Techmeme. Techmeme doesn't write their own articles, they just have a feed, and they just add a one-line summary when the title is brief and/or misleading: have look https://techmeme.com/river https://techmeme.com/river .
  - mikestew 9y ago
    Two articles in a row? Go look at the comment history, it's all this account does.
    - tareqak 9y ago
      Do you know what a lot of readers here don't do? Read the article. Do you know what a lot of readers do do? They downvote an article without reading it. A summary helps with both. Moreover, some of those comments are actually upvoted because the post's original or edited title doesn't provide enough context. Given that the people operating this site are busy, I think my approach is a decent middle ground. If you look at my comment history further, I do make comments now and then when I have something I think is interesting to add. Edit: How about explaining the downvote here? I clearly explained my reasoning, and my approach.
      - DanBC 9y ago
        The downvotes are people asking you to stop doing it.
      - foepys 9y ago
        You cannot downvote articles on HN, as far as I'm informed.
        brad0 9y ago
        You can flag if you have a high enough karma rating I believe.
      - spondyl 9y ago
        Saying things along the lines of "Did you even read the article?" is quite literally listed as what not to do if you want to participate in HN discussion among other things :)
- DanBC 9y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12666454#12667459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12666454#12667459 > It's important for HN to keep its distance from tldr culture. Longer articles are ok, even if many of us won't read them. It's true of any post that most people won't read it. > Snap summaries make for reflexive reactions. That's the shallow kind of discussion we're hoping to avoid here. What we want is reflection, which is slower, takes more energy, and leads to more considered exchanges. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11607155 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11607155 (turn on showdead, and read the parent comment, but also this thread).
  - tareqak 9y ago
    Thank you for your reply: my response is the same as here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16055611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16055611
hkmurakami 9y ago
I don't want to open the link but I presume he went to the forests around Mt Fuji (since sibling poster writes that he went to a forest). That place is very famous as a suicide spot and it appears in many works of fiction in this context. The other famous spot is Tojimbo, a seaside cliff which also appears in many movies / TV shows.
- tareqak 9y ago
  You are correct: the article states that the forest is Aokigahara forest.
hx2a 9y ago
The body was found in the Aokigahara Forest near Mt Fuji. A respectful and well-made documentary on the forest was produced by Vice a number of years ago. You can watch it here: https://vimeo.com/16532592 https://vimeo.com/16532592 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jmgagk/aokigahara-suicide-forest-v3 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jmgagk/aokigahara-suicide...
davesque 9y ago
Youtube seems more and more to be turning into a kind of wasteland of unmoderated, self-published content. Apparently, and sadly, that's where the money is.
- spondyl 9y ago
  Every time an event such as the above occurs, I'm reminded of the following excerpt from a Jerry Seinfeld interview --- “The less the better,” Seinfeld said in reference to user-generated content. “I don’t want to see this crap. We have a giant garbage can called YouTube for user-generated content. http://bgr.com/2015/04/16/jerry-seinfeld-youtube-giant-garbage-can/ http://bgr.com/2015/04/16/jerry-seinfeld-youtube-giant-garba... --- I dunno, I mostly disagreed at first but seeing the front page and constant tweaks, I gotta wonder if it's worth it. We can easily do better than YouTube but it caters to the lowest common denominator so of course it'll be the most popular :/
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Youtube seems more and more to be turning into a kind of wasteland of unmoderated, self-published content. YouTube has always been a mix of that and piracy, though if anything, professionally-produced, non-pirated content has been increasing over the years.
- krapp 9y ago
  > Youtube seems more and more to be turning into a kind of wasteland of unmoderated, self-published content. Apparently, and sadly, that's where the money is. We must be living in different universes. In my universe, Youtube has spent the last year or so purging content that isn't advertiser friendly and auto-moderating even family-friendly and innoffensive channels into oblivion. They let a lot slip by them due to their size and dint of their AI being stupid to the point of possible malice, but I'd rather have a wasteland of free expression than a well-manicured garden of corporate and MCN-driven garbage.
- norikki 9y ago
  Haha, good one. "Why can't YouTube be filled with all the same stale, phony, mass-produced, corporate crap put out by Hollywood and network television? How could unmoderated self-published content from real people putting out honest uncensored viewpoints be more popular when it's allowed to compete on an equal playing field?"

24 points by tareqak 9y ago

Techmeme summary: Justin McCurry / The Guardian: YouTube star Logan Paul sparked outrage by posting a now-removed video of an alleged suicide victim in a Japanese forest Could those who downvote this comment please explain why you did so? I try to provide extra context for those who come across this submission, which I get from Techmeme. (I will admit that this particular summary adds very little arguably).

jasonkostempski 9y ago
You did this on 2 articles in a row that I've read. Looks like Techmeme spam.
- tareqak 9y ago
  Yeah, I submitted this article, which was linked in Techmeme. Techmeme doesn't write their own articles, they just have a feed, and they just add a one-line summary when the title is brief and/or misleading: have look https://techmeme.com/river https://techmeme.com/river .
- mikestew 9y ago
  Two articles in a row? Go look at the comment history, it's all this account does.
  - tareqak 9y ago
    Do you know what a lot of readers here don't do? Read the article. Do you know what a lot of readers do do? They downvote an article without reading it. A summary helps with both. Moreover, some of those comments are actually upvoted because the post's original or edited title doesn't provide enough context. Given that the people operating this site are busy, I think my approach is a decent middle ground. If you look at my comment history further, I do make comments now and then when I have something I think is interesting to add. Edit: How about explaining the downvote here? I clearly explained my reasoning, and my approach.
    - DanBC 9y ago
      The downvotes are people asking you to stop doing it.
    - foepys 9y ago
      You cannot downvote articles on HN, as far as I'm informed.
      - brad0 9y ago
        You can flag if you have a high enough karma rating I believe.
    - spondyl 9y ago
      Saying things along the lines of "Did you even read the article?" is quite literally listed as what not to do if you want to participate in HN discussion among other things :)
DanBC 9y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12666454#12667459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12666454#12667459 > It's important for HN to keep its distance from tldr culture. Longer articles are ok, even if many of us won't read them. It's true of any post that most people won't read it. > Snap summaries make for reflexive reactions. That's the shallow kind of discussion we're hoping to avoid here. What we want is reflection, which is slower, takes more energy, and leads to more considered exchanges. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11607155 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11607155 (turn on showdead, and read the parent comment, but also this thread).
- tareqak 9y ago
  Thank you for your reply: my response is the same as here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16055611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16055611

hkmurakami 9y ago

I don't want to open the link but I presume he went to the forests around Mt Fuji (since sibling poster writes that he went to a forest). That place is very famous as a suicide spot and it appears in many works of fiction in this context. The other famous spot is Tojimbo, a seaside cliff which also appears in many movies / TV shows.

tareqak 9y ago
You are correct: the article states that the forest is Aokigahara forest.

hx2a 9y ago

The body was found in the Aokigahara Forest near Mt Fuji. A respectful and well-made documentary on the forest was produced by Vice a number of years ago. You can watch it here: https://vimeo.com/16532592 https://vimeo.com/16532592 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jmgagk/aokigahara-suicide-forest-v3 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jmgagk/aokigahara-suicide...

davesque 9y ago

Youtube seems more and more to be turning into a kind of wasteland of unmoderated, self-published content. Apparently, and sadly, that's where the money is.

spondyl 9y ago
Every time an event such as the above occurs, I'm reminded of the following excerpt from a Jerry Seinfeld interview --- “The less the better,” Seinfeld said in reference to user-generated content. “I don’t want to see this crap. We have a giant garbage can called YouTube for user-generated content. http://bgr.com/2015/04/16/jerry-seinfeld-youtube-giant-garbage-can/ http://bgr.com/2015/04/16/jerry-seinfeld-youtube-giant-garba... --- I dunno, I mostly disagreed at first but seeing the front page and constant tweaks, I gotta wonder if it's worth it. We can easily do better than YouTube but it caters to the lowest common denominator so of course it'll be the most popular :/
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Youtube seems more and more to be turning into a kind of wasteland of unmoderated, self-published content. YouTube has always been a mix of that and piracy, though if anything, professionally-produced, non-pirated content has been increasing over the years.
krapp 9y ago
> Youtube seems more and more to be turning into a kind of wasteland of unmoderated, self-published content. Apparently, and sadly, that's where the money is. We must be living in different universes. In my universe, Youtube has spent the last year or so purging content that isn't advertiser friendly and auto-moderating even family-friendly and innoffensive channels into oblivion. They let a lot slip by them due to their size and dint of their AI being stupid to the point of possible malice, but I'd rather have a wasteland of free expression than a well-manicured garden of corporate and MCN-driven garbage.
norikki 9y ago
Haha, good one. "Why can't YouTube be filled with all the same stale, phony, mass-produced, corporate crap put out by Hollywood and network television? How could unmoderated self-published content from real people putting out honest uncensored viewpoints be more popular when it's allowed to compete on an equal playing field?"