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I could actually imagine things being better if proof-of-identity was required for a phone number. I really don't want IP access to run by the same scheme thou
by johansch 9y ago
I could actually imagine things being better if proof-of-identity was required for a phone number.
I really don't want IP access to run by the same scheme though.
How do these swatters fake phone numbers?
- toomuchtodo 9y agoYou can specify the number you want to appear to be coming from when terminating a SIP connection, depending on where you're connecting to the network. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID_spoofing#Technology_and_methods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID_spoofing#Technology_...
- johansch 9y agoSo the solution is to regulate the assignment via phone numbers via VOIP providers. Which I perhaps, naively assumed was already happening. WTF?
- toomuchtodo 9y agoAlready regulated, considered legal. Next move would be to propose legislation through a US congressional rep and move it through Congress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID_spoofing#Legal_considerations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID_spoofing#Legal_consi...
- johansch 9y agoEdit: Ah, after reading more from that link you provided; the issue is stuck in your dysfunctional government. I'm so confused right now. Does the US not have a central agency that allocates phone numbers and operators? Does that agency not have the ability to shutdown operators who don't follow the rules?
- toomuchtodo 9y ago> Does the US not have a central agency that allocates phone numbers and operators? Yes. https://www.neustar.biz/ https://www.neustar.biz/ > Does that agency not have the ability to shutdown operators who don't follow the rules? Long story. TL;DR Spoofing DIDs isn't illegal. See my Wikipedia link above what is and isn't considered illegal. > Edit: Ah, after reading more from that link you provided; the issue is stuck in your dysfunctional government. Yes.
- johansch 9y agoThat's extraordinarly retarded.
- johansch 9y ago"0 points" Ah, well, Jingoism is an american word. I guess I just thougt the crowd here could agree that it's retarded to not have a political policy against fake VOIP numbers.
- toomuchtodo 9y ago"Retarded" seems to be a considered a derogatory slur in these times, which could explain your downvotes. https://www.google.com/search?q=retarded+slur https://www.google.com/search?q=retarded+slur
- johansch 9y agoThanks, but I somehow get the feeling that it's more about not wanting outsiders telling them how to solve problems they know they should have solved a long time ago by themselves.
- eric_h 9y agoI suspect that your feeling is incorrect - your word choice has significantly fallen out of favor for use in civilized discourse, at least in the United States. Beyond that it added very little to the discussion, which is often a reason for a down vote around these parts.
- falcolas 9y agoLong story that I’m not fully familiar with short: the phone system suffers from the same trust issues that the internet does. That is, it wasn’t designed with things like adversarial users in mind. EDIT: Am I incorrect in this statement? I'd love more feedback.
- johansch 9y agoWell, then, fix it.
- falcolas 9y agoSure thing. Let me switch industries, learn a completely new skillset, and rise to a point of power where I can affect such widespread (cross-state and company) changes. Shouldn't take more than a few months. /s
- johansch 9y agoWell, I do agree. I shouldn't take more than a few months to fix this. I don't live in the US, but I get the feeling something is terribly wrong with the way you're handling such a basic thing as a phone call, be it VOIP or not.
- SilasX 9y agoRight but in this case it was unproxied VoIP, right? It should be easy (in the sense of not requiring a forced universal protocol upgrade, I mean) to at least protect against this kind of attack — a caller from an LA IP claiming to be in Kansas.
- delinka 9y agoThe same way telemarketers fake phone numbers. More surprising to me is that the deeper routing data (as in, the real source of the call, which the phone company necessarily has) is not available. I understand that you want to allow anonymous tips, but it would make sense that if the caller ID data is faked (i.e. the purported number's exchange doesn't match the source), then the data should be made immediately available.
- johansch 9y agoSeems like a lot of people here really want VOIP to be anonymous/unregistered. You know, so that the nazis can't get you if they seize power. But they also seem loath to acknowledge this desire, particularly in this context.
- jMyles 9y agoAnonymous / unauthenticated calling to emergency services is a good feature to preserve. Reacting as though they are credible enough to warrant deadly force is not.
- johansch 9y agoSure, but that only works so far. Even a european-style police force would eventually snap if they had to do 100 break-ins to combat ongoing crime if 99/100 calls were fake. Both issues need to be addressed.
- TheGrumpyBrit 9y agoSurely if 99/100 calls were fake, that should reinforce the idea that a fake call is a possibility, and ensure that police are less likely to react with deadly force unless a threat is proven.