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Similar to the Utah model you provide social services that help rehabilitate. We can also structure it similarly to theirs. The goal is to free people from the

Similar to the Utah model you provide social services that help rehabilitate. We can also structure it similarly to theirs. The goal is to free people from the cycle of homelessness. As you can see in the article there is very little that would not improve upon the current situation.

c22 9y ago
This Utah model[0][1][2][3]? I'm all for getting the homeless into homes, and for the chronically homeless perhaps sending them somewhere cheap and giving them a lifetime of social services is the answer. But the majority of homeless are not chronically so, these people need economic opportunities, and the places with the cheapest housing are also the places with the fewest economic opportunities. If we want to prevent this class of homeless from slipping into the former group then finding ways to provide them housing in booming cities is preferable. [0] https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865678779/Is-Utah-still-a-model-for-solving-chronic-homelessness.html https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865678779/Is-Utah-still-... [1] http://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2017/10/12/leading-homelessness-expert-says-operation-rio-grande-is-a-disaster-at-annual-utah-summit/ http://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2017/10/12/leading-homel... [2] http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-shelters-20170707-story.html http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-shelters-20170707-s... [3] https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-corinth/think-utah-solved-homeles_b_9380860.html# https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-corinth/think-utah-solv...
- asabjorn 9y ago
  So do you have a different proposal that is better? At least to me the current solution does not seem like much of a solution, it is expensive and leaves most undersupported at best, and any rehabilitated social client would have to contend with that: - SF metro area is the 8th most expensive in the world - only a one bedroom costs $3600 - low skilled entry level jobs are moved elsewhere https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/www.wired.com/2016/03/those-entry-level-startup-jobs-theyre-now-mostly-dead-ends-in-the-boondocks/amp https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/www.wired.com/2016/03/those-... There are large areas not far from San Francisco that is much cheaper. Personally I moved to Oakland, and even that relatively short move makes a huge difference.
- AnimalMuppet 9y ago
  Utah is kind of at a sweet spot here, with housing that is not ridiculously expensive, and yet with decent amounts of economic opportunity. Not Silicon Valley levels of opportunity, but I'm not sure that most homeless should be looking for Silicon Valley-type jobs as their first step.
  - c22 9y ago
    Even with Keurig people in Silicon Valley sometimes need someone else to make their coffee. There are good arguments for having a range of affordability in housing so the people working these service jobs don't have to commute 4 hours on a bus every day.

c22 9y ago

This Utah model[0][1][2][3]? I'm all for getting the homeless into homes, and for the chronically homeless perhaps sending them somewhere cheap and giving them a lifetime of social services is the answer. But the majority of homeless are not chronically so, these people need economic opportunities, and the places with the cheapest housing are also the places with the fewest economic opportunities. If we want to prevent this class of homeless from slipping into the former group then finding ways to provide them housing in booming cities is preferable. [0] https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865678779/Is-Utah-still-a-model-for-solving-chronic-homelessness.html https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865678779/Is-Utah-still-... [1] http://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2017/10/12/leading-homelessness-expert-says-operation-rio-grande-is-a-disaster-at-annual-utah-summit/ http://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2017/10/12/leading-homel... [2] http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-shelters-20170707-story.html http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-shelters-20170707-s... [3] https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-corinth/think-utah-solved-homeles_b_9380860.html# https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-corinth/think-utah-solv...

asabjorn 9y ago
So do you have a different proposal that is better? At least to me the current solution does not seem like much of a solution, it is expensive and leaves most undersupported at best, and any rehabilitated social client would have to contend with that: - SF metro area is the 8th most expensive in the world - only a one bedroom costs $3600 - low skilled entry level jobs are moved elsewhere https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/www.wired.com/2016/03/those-entry-level-startup-jobs-theyre-now-mostly-dead-ends-in-the-boondocks/amp https://www.google.com.tw/amp/s/www.wired.com/2016/03/those-... There are large areas not far from San Francisco that is much cheaper. Personally I moved to Oakland, and even that relatively short move makes a huge difference.
AnimalMuppet 9y ago
Utah is kind of at a sweet spot here, with housing that is not ridiculously expensive, and yet with decent amounts of economic opportunity. Not Silicon Valley levels of opportunity, but I'm not sure that most homeless should be looking for Silicon Valley-type jobs as their first step.
- c22 9y ago
  Even with Keurig people in Silicon Valley sometimes need someone else to make their coffee. There are good arguments for having a range of affordability in housing so the people working these service jobs don't have to commute 4 hours on a bus every day.