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I've been happily using 1Password 4 for many years, my credentials are encrypted and synced via Dropbox. But I hear the latest versions require you to use thei
by exhilaration 9y ago
I've been happily using 1Password 4 for many years, my credentials are encrypted and synced via Dropbox. But I hear the latest versions require you to use their cloud service, the self-hosted version is no longer available. Is that true?
I use 1Password for not only credentials but as a document vault for everything from passports, birth certificates, anything else that falls under "needed after the house burns down". It's one of the most elegant pieces of software I've ever used.
- nicky0 9y agoWhilst they do have a cloud-hosted subscription service, the self hosted version is still available.
- falcolas 9y agoAnd self-hosted can put the files in Apple's iCloud service, making it accessible on your phone. At least, that's how my own is still working.
- smt88 9y agoYour weakest link is probably now iCloud, considering how easily and often it gets hacked...
- nkristoffersen 9y agoWhich is never, right? Has iCloud actually been “hacked” in the “Yahoo” sense of the word? I ask because I use iCloud heavily. Nearly 1TB of photos/videos and now use 1Password with iCloud sync.
- smt88 9y agoHas there been a large dump of iCloud credentials, allowing unauthorized access to accounts? Maybe, but it isn't publicly known. Has Apple made mistakes when designing iCloud, allowing unauthorized access to accounts? Yes.
- falcolas 9y agoIndeed. But as the file is encrypted beyond what Apple implements, it is probably at least as safe as if it were on 1Password's own cloud.
- nucleardog 9y agoHow are you defining "self hosted" here? The newest version of the Windows app doesn't support creating or opening local vaults, only storing data in their cloud. They also no longer offer perpetual/non-subscription licenses, including for the older version that supports local vaults. At the very least the first would be a requirement for any sort of "self hosted" setup.
- wonder_er 9y agoThis is accurate. I migrated to the cloud service when I wanted to add my wife to my account. It was not an elegant process, and the friction kept me from following through for more than a few months. I finally pulled the trigger, spent the time and hassle migrating everything, and am now glad that I did.
- tigroferoce 9y agoAlso, you don't want the freemium business model because: 1) passwords are a serious stuff, so you want serious people to to some serious work behind your PM (AKA, it can't be free); 2) passwords are a too fundamental tool of our digital existences to have a monthly-based subscription. The idea of being locked out of your services when you can't afford to pay the monthly fee is just horrible.
- wonder_er 9y agoagreed! In their defense, the old model wasn't freemium, it was a one-time fee. (I think it was $40 or $50 when I bought it.) That said, over the time horizon of many years, $40 doesn't cover much at all. For the reasons you mentioned, I felt a sense of relief when I moved over to the monthly model.
- nucleardog 9y agoI totally understand why they need/want to change their pricing model, and support it even. I don't understand why they've bundled a change in the product along with it and that's what I take issue with. I'd happily pay them $5/mo to continue using their product as I've been using it - with local vaults, not with their cloud product. I won't take their product for free if it comes with a forced "upgrade" to the cloud service.