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Legalization leads to commercialization. Do we really want for-profit corporations working to create demand for heroin and meth? It is already a huge problem

Legalization leads to commercialization. Do we really want for-profit corporations working to create demand for heroin and meth? It is already a huge problem that they're pushing opiates when ibuprofen+paracetamol is just as effective.

2III7 9y ago
"when ibuprofen+paracetamol is just as effective" Liver says no.
mifreewil 9y ago
> Do we really want for-profit corporations working to create demand for heroin and meth? The sensible thing to do would be to bring the supply of drugs out into the open and remove it from the black market. Most of the issues from drugs like crime, violence and overdose deaths comes from the fact that it's a black market that cannot be regulated with standards or restricted to minors. If we regulated it similar to alcohol or tobacco (or stricter even), we wouldn't have so many problems.
Nursie 9y ago
>> Do we really want for-profit corporations working to create demand for heroin and meth? We don't really want them working to create demand for any pharmaceuticals, tobacco or alcohol either. Which is why in a lot of places advertising of such is banned to a greater or lesser extent. >> ibuprofen+paracetamol is just as effective Eh, not really.
- rabidrat 9y ago
  https://media.jamanetwork.com/news-item/no-significant-difference-pain-relief-opioids-vs-non-opioid-analgesics-treating-arm-leg-pain/ https://media.jamanetwork.com/news-item/no-significant-diffe...
  - Nursie 9y ago
    While that is interesting (and a little surprising), it's one measure on one sort of pain. It doesn't look at speed of onset, length of effect or the health impact of repeated dosing - paracetamol is not all that well tolerated by the body and ibuprofen can irritate the stomach. I'm also surprised because I'm sure I read sometime last year that for some types of pain, paracetamol is indistinguishable from placebo.
    - rabidrat 9y ago
      Note that this is very specifically ibuprofen AND paracetamol taken together. You're right that both of these drugs can be hard on various internal organs. But compared to opiates? From the opioid epidemic to my personal experience, there is no comparison as to which has larger consequences.
saas_co_de 9y ago
> Do we really want for-profit corporations working to create demand for heroin and meth There already are for-profit corporations creating demand for heroin and meth. They are just exempt from taxes and product liability laws. The second one is the really important issue. Having drugs illegal is what shields the producers and distributors from product liability law suits. Without that there would be no billion dollar business in this shit.

2III7 9y ago

"when ibuprofen+paracetamol is just as effective" Liver says no.

mifreewil 9y ago

> Do we really want for-profit corporations working to create demand for heroin and meth? The sensible thing to do would be to bring the supply of drugs out into the open and remove it from the black market. Most of the issues from drugs like crime, violence and overdose deaths comes from the fact that it's a black market that cannot be regulated with standards or restricted to minors. If we regulated it similar to alcohol or tobacco (or stricter even), we wouldn't have so many problems.

Nursie 9y ago

>> Do we really want for-profit corporations working to create demand for heroin and meth? We don't really want them working to create demand for any pharmaceuticals, tobacco or alcohol either. Which is why in a lot of places advertising of such is banned to a greater or lesser extent. >> ibuprofen+paracetamol is just as effective Eh, not really.

rabidrat 9y ago
https://media.jamanetwork.com/news-item/no-significant-difference-pain-relief-opioids-vs-non-opioid-analgesics-treating-arm-leg-pain/ https://media.jamanetwork.com/news-item/no-significant-diffe...
- Nursie 9y ago
  While that is interesting (and a little surprising), it's one measure on one sort of pain. It doesn't look at speed of onset, length of effect or the health impact of repeated dosing - paracetamol is not all that well tolerated by the body and ibuprofen can irritate the stomach. I'm also surprised because I'm sure I read sometime last year that for some types of pain, paracetamol is indistinguishable from placebo.
  - rabidrat 9y ago
    Note that this is very specifically ibuprofen AND paracetamol taken together. You're right that both of these drugs can be hard on various internal organs. But compared to opiates? From the opioid epidemic to my personal experience, there is no comparison as to which has larger consequences.

saas_co_de 9y ago

> Do we really want for-profit corporations working to create demand for heroin and meth There already are for-profit corporations creating demand for heroin and meth. They are just exempt from taxes and product liability laws. The second one is the really important issue. Having drugs illegal is what shields the producers and distributors from product liability law suits. Without that there would be no billion dollar business in this shit.