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And how are things ever going to work without standards? Standards aren't meant for end-users, they're meant for the engineers building the freaking software e

And how are things ever going to work without standards? Standards aren't meant for end-users, they're meant for the engineers building the freaking software end-users are using. Imagine every electrical device in your home having its own distinct power cable. Every device requiring a different voltage (110V is a standard, who needs that?) and plug type. You'd be spending a lot more (as the end user) in converters and adapters and whatnot; the only end result is that you pay much more for much less.

andrewmcwatters 9y ago
What standards? WHATWG publishes a living document, that's not a standard. Wake up, vendors control the web. If you wanted to make a competing browser today, you'd be utterly fucked because you'd never be able to implement the entire catalog of web features that exist today, and those feature sets change too rapidly. There are no web standards. There are browsers and people who use them and developers who target those browsers.
- jeremiep 9y ago
  So you're saying we should drop whatever unification WHATWG brings and leave everyone to do their own thing? That's certainly going to end well. Saying "wake up" is a very dangerous statement; usually hints at ignorance more than anything else. Who do you think sits on the board of WHATWG? Its the very people building web browsers. There's a reason making web apps doesn't suck nearly as much in 2018 as it did years ago, mostly because APIs are starting to be consistent across browsers. Thats standards for you, even living ones. (Its a living standard, not a living document, by the way.) I'm very curious as to how you'll make a website that works in all browsers if they're all free to implement radically different interfaces to HTML/CSS/JS. Don't even think about web apps, or having 3D stuff. Lets all go back to using glue libraries like jQuery like its 2010 again. That sounds fun.

andrewmcwatters 9y ago

What standards? WHATWG publishes a living document, that's not a standard. Wake up, vendors control the web. If you wanted to make a competing browser today, you'd be utterly fucked because you'd never be able to implement the entire catalog of web features that exist today, and those feature sets change too rapidly. There are no web standards. There are browsers and people who use them and developers who target those browsers.

jeremiep 9y ago
So you're saying we should drop whatever unification WHATWG brings and leave everyone to do their own thing? That's certainly going to end well. Saying "wake up" is a very dangerous statement; usually hints at ignorance more than anything else. Who do you think sits on the board of WHATWG? Its the very people building web browsers. There's a reason making web apps doesn't suck nearly as much in 2018 as it did years ago, mostly because APIs are starting to be consistent across browsers. Thats standards for you, even living ones. (Its a living standard, not a living document, by the way.) I'm very curious as to how you'll make a website that works in all browsers if they're all free to implement radically different interfaces to HTML/CSS/JS. Don't even think about web apps, or having 3D stuff. Lets all go back to using glue libraries like jQuery like its 2010 again. That sounds fun.