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None anymore, the cheaters have already stopped using catbot as their usernames. https://github.com/nullifiedcat/catbot-setup/commit/c2d22ee92d0af11376243ca20c7

by Kr4ken 9y ago

None anymore, the cheaters have already stopped using catbot as their usernames. https://github.com/nullifiedcat/catbot-setup/commit/c2d22ee92d0af11376243ca20c7522e6e7205506 https://github.com/nullifiedcat/catbot-setup/commit/c2d22ee9.... This is further proof of how poor of a response this was by Valve.

rahimnathwani 9y ago
I was responding to a comment made when "the signature had good recall". So whilst you have a reasonable point, it's not relevant to the point I was making, which is that the precision of the rule (after implementation, and before discovery) probably exceeded 4 nines, which doesn't seem like 'poor precision' to me, without further detail on the requirements. And BTW I have no opinion about whether this was a good or bad move by Valve. I don't have sufficient context for that, and my comment was intentionally focused to try and understand what the person to whom I replied thought would be acceptable precision.
paulmd 9y ago
That changes nothing. Every single anti-cheat mechanism will eventually be identified and worked around, it's a continuous game of cat and mouse. This is why bans are delayed and specific reasons are rarely given, to prevent identification of the specific mechanisms used. It's like treating a disease with antibiotics, eventually the disease builds a tolerance and you need to find a new drug. By using multiple drugs you can hopefully kill it before it can resist any given drug, but in practice tolerance builds regardless of your best efforts. These cheats are actually big business nowadays, people have a financial incentive to work around them as quickly as possible.
- Kr4ken 9y ago
  I don't know any other anti-cheat that has used a blacklisted username as a mechanism. Valve did not bother to obscure any part of this mechanism, they publicly confirmed that this mechanism was banning people due to their name. This is an open source cheat that has not generated any revenue, and it was worked around as soon as it was identified. Regardless, saying that this changes nothing is ridiculous, this mechanism was aimed mostly at cheaters, with some innocent in the crosshairs. Now, all cheaters have worked around this and only innocent are left in the crosshairs.
- user5994461 9y ago
  You're wasting your time arguing. The poster you are replying to is affiliated with the bot.
  - paulmd 9y ago
    Haha, good catch, he commented on the issue in the OP. We are definitely getting trolled here. https://github.com/Kr4ken-9/cathook https://github.com/Kr4ken-9/cathook Golly, hack authors are just so concerned for the well-being of random internet strangers, how dare you doubt their sincerity! /s

by Kr4ken 9y ago

rahimnathwani 9y ago

I was responding to a comment made when "the signature had good recall". So whilst you have a reasonable point, it's not relevant to the point I was making, which is that the precision of the rule (after implementation, and before discovery) probably exceeded 4 nines, which doesn't seem like 'poor precision' to me, without further detail on the requirements. And BTW I have no opinion about whether this was a good or bad move by Valve. I don't have sufficient context for that, and my comment was intentionally focused to try and understand what the person to whom I replied thought would be acceptable precision.

paulmd 9y ago

That changes nothing. Every single anti-cheat mechanism will eventually be identified and worked around, it's a continuous game of cat and mouse. This is why bans are delayed and specific reasons are rarely given, to prevent identification of the specific mechanisms used. It's like treating a disease with antibiotics, eventually the disease builds a tolerance and you need to find a new drug. By using multiple drugs you can hopefully kill it before it can resist any given drug, but in practice tolerance builds regardless of your best efforts. These cheats are actually big business nowadays, people have a financial incentive to work around them as quickly as possible.

Kr4ken 9y ago
I don't know any other anti-cheat that has used a blacklisted username as a mechanism. Valve did not bother to obscure any part of this mechanism, they publicly confirmed that this mechanism was banning people due to their name. This is an open source cheat that has not generated any revenue, and it was worked around as soon as it was identified. Regardless, saying that this changes nothing is ridiculous, this mechanism was aimed mostly at cheaters, with some innocent in the crosshairs. Now, all cheaters have worked around this and only innocent are left in the crosshairs.
user5994461 9y ago
You're wasting your time arguing. The poster you are replying to is affiliated with the bot.
- paulmd 9y ago
  Haha, good catch, he commented on the issue in the OP. We are definitely getting trolled here. https://github.com/Kr4ken-9/cathook https://github.com/Kr4ken-9/cathook Golly, hack authors are just so concerned for the well-being of random internet strangers, how dare you doubt their sincerity! /s