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... disenfranchised. 200k in Milwaukee alone. This claim is based on taking the difference in turnout between 2012 and 2016, and then attributing it entirely t

... disenfranchised. 200k in Milwaukee alone. This claim is based on taking the difference in turnout between 2012 and 2016, and then attributing it entirely to a voter id law change. Note, even though she lost Wisconsin during the primary to Sanders, she assumed she would win it anyway during the election. So much so that she NEVER visited the state even once during the election... the first time a major party candidate has skipped WI since 1972. In comparison, he's a map of the 2012 events.. blue and purple are places obama visited, turquoise is biden.. a dot means multiple events: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1djIi5ol21yzrnXDr2A34CykfGvc&msa=0&ll=36.92039099272268%2C-95.29094700000002&z=5 https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1djIi5ol21yzrnXDr2A...

specialist 9y ago
The GOP credits their disenfranchisement efforts for their outsized victories. You saying they're wrong? -- So you're saying it's okay for Trump to fail upwards, but HRC didn't make every perfect move, so she deserved to lose?
- rgbrenner 9y ago
  do you realize that trump and pence visited WI 10 times (trump 6, pence 5)? And for all of that effort, he won by 20k votes. Obama had to work hard to win WI by a slim margin; trump had to work hard to win WI by a slim margin. In 2004, Kerry visited the state 11 times; Bush 12 times. Wisconsin was indisputably a battleground state... and all of these people had to work hard to win it. But not Hillary. I'm not commenting on anything else about this election.. just WI. The idea that Hillary could win WI while putting in zero effort is ridiculous.
  - specialist 9y ago
    Well. Since we're kibitizing, the remaining big question I have is how HRC lost Florida. My friends on the ground (working GOTV) were certain HRC had won it. I kinda get how HRC lost WI, MI, PA. To their credit, in the final weeks, HRC's campaign knew there problems and redirected resources, but it was too late. And for whatever reason, Dems keep ignoring / downplaying disenfranchisement. (The correct answer is universal, automatic registration, just like every other mature democracy.) But losing Florida... There's an untold story there.
    - rdtsc 9y ago
      From what I heard it was older folks, retired workers from Midwest and maybe the Cuban community, who perhaps felt Obama opening a US Embassy in Cuba as a negative development. Florida is also Trump's second home for his little golf play area, or at least he seems to spend enough time there, so perhaps his campaign had a better knowledge of demographics and where and how to spend the money and time.

specialist 9y ago

The GOP credits their disenfranchisement efforts for their outsized victories. You saying they're wrong? -- So you're saying it's okay for Trump to fail upwards, but HRC didn't make every perfect move, so she deserved to lose?

rgbrenner 9y ago
do you realize that trump and pence visited WI 10 times (trump 6, pence 5)? And for all of that effort, he won by 20k votes. Obama had to work hard to win WI by a slim margin; trump had to work hard to win WI by a slim margin. In 2004, Kerry visited the state 11 times; Bush 12 times. Wisconsin was indisputably a battleground state... and all of these people had to work hard to win it. But not Hillary. I'm not commenting on anything else about this election.. just WI. The idea that Hillary could win WI while putting in zero effort is ridiculous.
- specialist 9y ago
  Well. Since we're kibitizing, the remaining big question I have is how HRC lost Florida. My friends on the ground (working GOTV) were certain HRC had won it. I kinda get how HRC lost WI, MI, PA. To their credit, in the final weeks, HRC's campaign knew there problems and redirected resources, but it was too late. And for whatever reason, Dems keep ignoring / downplaying disenfranchisement. (The correct answer is universal, automatic registration, just like every other mature democracy.) But losing Florida... There's an untold story there.
  - rdtsc 9y ago
    From what I heard it was older folks, retired workers from Midwest and maybe the Cuban community, who perhaps felt Obama opening a US Embassy in Cuba as a negative development. Florida is also Trump's second home for his little golf play area, or at least he seems to spend enough time there, so perhaps his campaign had a better knowledge of demographics and where and how to spend the money and time.