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Ugh, the media has clearly been waiting around for a day when they can cast tech as the bad guy. Russians on Facebook and iPhone batteries are just not that big

Ugh, the media has clearly been waiting around for a day when they can cast tech as the bad guy. Russians on Facebook and iPhone batteries are just not that big of a deal.

te_chris 9y ago
What do you expect? Big tech has gone to war with the media and taken the majority of their ad revenue, inserting themselves into the middle of the main relationship between them and their audience and advertisers. Only problem is tech didn't finish the job, so now media orgs see a chance to dispatch a few bloody noses back at their hubristic silicon valley 'partners'.
- rdtsc 9y ago
  Yap. It was a bit of a back and forth. After the election was lost, the traditional media which Clinton relied on so much was deemed to have failed. Chomsky would say the Manufacturing Consent machine had broken down somewhere. Almost immediately Facebook and Google started talking about "Fake News" and how they'll work twice as hard to combat it. On the surface it was nice to see these companies saving us from lizard people spam, on another level it was a message to the future presidential or other marketing campaigns saying effectively "Don't spend you billions on MSNBC, spend them on us, we'll be far more effective". Now the old and crusty media is punching back and writing articles about how tech companies are eating our souls. I agree in principle with article and never even signed up for Facebook to begin with but like you identified so it has merit, but I think there is also a battle on another level here as well.
autokad 9y ago
i really wish they would get off this 'we lost the election because of misinformation on facebook so something has to be done about it' rhetoric. leaked emails (by help of the russians) surely helped trump, but even democrats concede that information was TRUE. this has nothing to do with social media, but training in the DNC about phishing scams might help. but honestly, there were so many huge flaws in the hillary campaign (relying 100% on data that was already proven in the primaries to be next to useless, disgust over the shadyness in how the clintons took over the dnc and stacked the deck against sanders, etc). and lets face it, they didnt have a problem with the internet when obama was using it to win, such as 'obama universities' training people to use a pyramid network on social media to basically create broadcast storms to get the algorithms to push their content to the top and shout out dissenting opinions.
- geggam 9y ago
  Im not sure that many people voted for any of the individuals. Hillary represented the establishment. The last two presidents were a huge and dramatic shift away from status quo. I think people are voting for the least likely to be a part of the machine. I wonder what happens when the people realize any candidate who gets into the primary is part of the machine ?
  - kazagistar 9y ago
    > I wonder what happens when the people realize any candidate who gets into the primary is part of the machine ? They stop voting like half the country already has.
    - autokad 9y ago
      a lot of them has simply given up, hence the opiod crisis
  - Clubber 9y ago
    Yes, it was also nothing new. Put a Russian ad side by side with a right or left wing PAC ad and I'd wager you'd have a hard time telling the difference. There were samples released on the internet. There were both liberal and conservative ads taken out too, so it wasn't just pro-Trump like most people believe. It seems as if the campaign was more to divide the country than pick any particular candidate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/russian-ads-facebook-targeting/?utm_term=.eb06a43cfe48 https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/russia...
  - specialist 9y ago
    This is a depressing, liberating read: Democracy for Realists: Why Elections Do Not Produce Responsive Government http://a.co/3Z1dt6b http://a.co/3Z1dt6b TL;DR: People vote based on identity and morph their views to match their chosen candidate. Struggling to accept this, I've now more or less given up on persuasion, messaging, framing, platforms, etc.
- mantas 9y ago

Ugh, the media has clearly been waiting around for a day when they can cast tech as the bad guy. Russians on Facebook and iPhone batteries are just not that big of a deal.

te_chris 9y ago

What do you expect? Big tech has gone to war with the media and taken the majority of their ad revenue, inserting themselves into the middle of the main relationship between them and their audience and advertisers. Only problem is tech didn't finish the job, so now media orgs see a chance to dispatch a few bloody noses back at their hubristic silicon valley 'partners'.

rdtsc 9y ago
Yap. It was a bit of a back and forth. After the election was lost, the traditional media which Clinton relied on so much was deemed to have failed. Chomsky would say the Manufacturing Consent machine had broken down somewhere. Almost immediately Facebook and Google started talking about "Fake News" and how they'll work twice as hard to combat it. On the surface it was nice to see these companies saving us from lizard people spam, on another level it was a message to the future presidential or other marketing campaigns saying effectively "Don't spend you billions on MSNBC, spend them on us, we'll be far more effective". Now the old and crusty media is punching back and writing articles about how tech companies are eating our souls. I agree in principle with article and never even signed up for Facebook to begin with but like you identified so it has merit, but I think there is also a battle on another level here as well.

autokad 9y ago

i really wish they would get off this 'we lost the election because of misinformation on facebook so something has to be done about it' rhetoric. leaked emails (by help of the russians) surely helped trump, but even democrats concede that information was TRUE. this has nothing to do with social media, but training in the DNC about phishing scams might help. but honestly, there were so many huge flaws in the hillary campaign (relying 100% on data that was already proven in the primaries to be next to useless, disgust over the shadyness in how the clintons took over the dnc and stacked the deck against sanders, etc). and lets face it, they didnt have a problem with the internet when obama was using it to win, such as 'obama universities' training people to use a pyramid network on social media to basically create broadcast storms to get the algorithms to push their content to the top and shout out dissenting opinions.

geggam 9y ago
Im not sure that many people voted for any of the individuals. Hillary represented the establishment. The last two presidents were a huge and dramatic shift away from status quo. I think people are voting for the least likely to be a part of the machine. I wonder what happens when the people realize any candidate who gets into the primary is part of the machine ?
- kazagistar 9y ago
  > I wonder what happens when the people realize any candidate who gets into the primary is part of the machine ? They stop voting like half the country already has.
  - autokad 9y ago
    a lot of them has simply given up, hence the opiod crisis
- Clubber 9y ago
  Yes, it was also nothing new. Put a Russian ad side by side with a right or left wing PAC ad and I'd wager you'd have a hard time telling the difference. There were samples released on the internet. There were both liberal and conservative ads taken out too, so it wasn't just pro-Trump like most people believe. It seems as if the campaign was more to divide the country than pick any particular candidate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/russian-ads-facebook-targeting/?utm_term=.eb06a43cfe48 https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/russia...
- specialist 9y ago
  This is a depressing, liberating read: Democracy for Realists: Why Elections Do Not Produce Responsive Government http://a.co/3Z1dt6b http://a.co/3Z1dt6b TL;DR: People vote based on identity and morph their views to match their chosen candidate. Struggling to accept this, I've now more or less given up on persuasion, messaging, framing, platforms, etc.
mantas 9y ago