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Tech will only eat your soul if you let it.

by qrbLPHiKpiux 9y ago

throwanem 9y ago
"Addiction to heroin is a failure of willpower."
- andai 9y ago
  If you know heroin will eat your soul, perhaps consider not doing heroin? It might be hard, but a lot easier than stopping once you've started.
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    Between your poles is the temperate ground that in order to battle the scourge that is heroin addiction, one need first not be addicted to heroin. Disconnecting is not, by itself, enough. But controlling our own overexposure is a first step towards finding a general solution.
    - andai 9y ago
      OK, my "have you tried not being addicted to heroin" sounded stupid. Let me rephrase: "Have you tried not living a life that's so sad that heroin actually seems like a good idea?" It works for nonhumans, too: https://imgur.com/gallery/PR9DJ https://imgur.com/gallery/PR9DJ
      - throwanem 9y ago
        Replication crisis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9148292 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9148292
      - throwanem 9y ago
        ("Have you tried not having a broken leg?" sounds pretty stupid too, not gonna lie. Even if we leave out the growing proportion of people whose habits found their origin in a prescription.)
      - ThrowawayR2 9y ago
        > Let me rephrase: "Have you tried not living a life that's so sad that heroin actually seems like a good idea?" Good grief. How out of touch does a person have to be to think that's a reasonable suggestion to make? The ability to control one's circumstances is quite limited for large segments of the population and, even for those more fortunate, no one can predict when one of life's unexpected calamities will bring them down.
      - rhizome 9y ago
        Let me rephrase: "Have you tried not living a life that's so sad that heroin actually seems like a good idea?" Genius. I wonder why nobody's thought of that until now.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - Clubber 9y ago
    Pot will make you turn into a zombie and kill people. One of the biggest flaws of the drug war was the inclusion of pot as an equally dangerous drug as heroin. Once people smoked pot and realized it was a big fucking lie, the warnings against much more dangerous drugs went unheeded.
  - jancsika 9y ago
    > If you know heroin will eat your soul That's quite a big if. If it were true then hospitals should drop the use of opioids for any type of pain management to zero. Even with the opioid epidemic in the U.S. I've never heard anyone advocate such a radical position. > perhaps consider not doing heroin? In a lot of cases in the U.S. opioids were pushed to treat types of pain for which they have been shown to be ineffective. So the patient needed to take more than the proscribed amount of a drug that was more addictive than a pricier alternative therapy or treatment. I can't find the source for that atm, but it appears that prescription rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries[1]. So to answer your question-- no. Turning down a painkiller for a pricier alternative treatment requires both a) having disposable income and b) having sufficient time and expertise to do a research project on both the effectiveness of the suggested opioid painkiller and effectiveness of alternatives. And that is assuming one would somehow know a priori to disregard entirely the advice of their own medical doctor. It's simply not serious public policy to suggest that everybody just take on burdensome, life-altering levels of pain to avoid the vaguely-worded danger that an addiction robs one of their soul. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/28/opioid-abuse-in-america-is-so-bad-its-lowering-our-life-expectancy-why-hasnt-the-epidemic-hit-other-countries/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/28...
zxcb1 9y ago
In secular world views there is no such thing as a soul, thus it can not be eaten. Finding the proper language for these phenomena is however an interesting topic.
- nordsieck 9y ago
  Enough people either have a dualist world view or are familiar enough with the idea that soul seems to be a serviceable word.
  - zxcb1 9y ago
    Well, my point is that you can not believe that your soul is being eaten without believing in the metaphysical framework(s) from which the concept emerged, otherwise the parent comment makes no sense. The closest secular definition you get is System 1.
    - lostcolony 9y ago
      Thank you for being pedantic over a word literally (yes, literally) everyone reading it, yourself included, understood and interpreted correctly to mean the author's intent. You are providing a valuable service. /sarcasm
      - zxcb1 9y ago
        I am sorry for that, but it is not obvious to me at all. Thats why I commented. One of the problems online is one of meaning, communication, context, definitions etc that we actually understand what someone is trying to convey. You for example felt the need to use a sarcasm expression, as you were unsure of me actually “getting” it.
        andai 9y ago
        You spend too much time on the computer.
- 9y ago

Tech will only eat your soul if you let it.

throwanem 9y ago

"Addiction to heroin is a failure of willpower."

andai 9y ago
If you know heroin will eat your soul, perhaps consider not doing heroin? It might be hard, but a lot easier than stopping once you've started.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago
  Between your poles is the temperate ground that in order to battle the scourge that is heroin addiction, one need first not be addicted to heroin. Disconnecting is not, by itself, enough. But controlling our own overexposure is a first step towards finding a general solution.
  - andai 9y ago
    OK, my "have you tried not being addicted to heroin" sounded stupid. Let me rephrase: "Have you tried not living a life that's so sad that heroin actually seems like a good idea?" It works for nonhumans, too: https://imgur.com/gallery/PR9DJ https://imgur.com/gallery/PR9DJ
    - throwanem 9y ago
      Replication crisis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9148292 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9148292
    - throwanem 9y ago
      ("Have you tried not having a broken leg?" sounds pretty stupid too, not gonna lie. Even if we leave out the growing proportion of people whose habits found their origin in a prescription.)
    - ThrowawayR2 9y ago
      > Let me rephrase: "Have you tried not living a life that's so sad that heroin actually seems like a good idea?" Good grief. How out of touch does a person have to be to think that's a reasonable suggestion to make? The ability to control one's circumstances is quite limited for large segments of the population and, even for those more fortunate, no one can predict when one of life's unexpected calamities will bring them down.
    - rhizome 9y ago
      Let me rephrase: "Have you tried not living a life that's so sad that heroin actually seems like a good idea?" Genius. I wonder why nobody's thought of that until now.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- Clubber 9y ago
  Pot will make you turn into a zombie and kill people. One of the biggest flaws of the drug war was the inclusion of pot as an equally dangerous drug as heroin. Once people smoked pot and realized it was a big fucking lie, the warnings against much more dangerous drugs went unheeded.
- jancsika 9y ago
  > If you know heroin will eat your soul That's quite a big if. If it were true then hospitals should drop the use of opioids for any type of pain management to zero. Even with the opioid epidemic in the U.S. I've never heard anyone advocate such a radical position. > perhaps consider not doing heroin? In a lot of cases in the U.S. opioids were pushed to treat types of pain for which they have been shown to be ineffective. So the patient needed to take more than the proscribed amount of a drug that was more addictive than a pricier alternative therapy or treatment. I can't find the source for that atm, but it appears that prescription rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries[1]. So to answer your question-- no. Turning down a painkiller for a pricier alternative treatment requires both a) having disposable income and b) having sufficient time and expertise to do a research project on both the effectiveness of the suggested opioid painkiller and effectiveness of alternatives. And that is assuming one would somehow know a priori to disregard entirely the advice of their own medical doctor. It's simply not serious public policy to suggest that everybody just take on burdensome, life-altering levels of pain to avoid the vaguely-worded danger that an addiction robs one of their soul. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/28/opioid-abuse-in-america-is-so-bad-its-lowering-our-life-expectancy-why-hasnt-the-epidemic-hit-other-countries/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/28...

zxcb1 9y ago

In secular world views there is no such thing as a soul, thus it can not be eaten. Finding the proper language for these phenomena is however an interesting topic.

nordsieck 9y ago
Enough people either have a dualist world view or are familiar enough with the idea that soul seems to be a serviceable word.
- zxcb1 9y ago
  Well, my point is that you can not believe that your soul is being eaten without believing in the metaphysical framework(s) from which the concept emerged, otherwise the parent comment makes no sense. The closest secular definition you get is System 1.
  - lostcolony 9y ago
    Thank you for being pedantic over a word literally (yes, literally) everyone reading it, yourself included, understood and interpreted correctly to mean the author's intent. You are providing a valuable service. /sarcasm
    - zxcb1 9y ago
      I am sorry for that, but it is not obvious to me at all. Thats why I commented. One of the problems online is one of meaning, communication, context, definitions etc that we actually understand what someone is trying to convey. You for example felt the need to use a sarcasm expression, as you were unsure of me actually “getting” it.
      - andai 9y ago
        You spend too much time on the computer.
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