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And apple can't even remotely be called a monopoly, unless you are referring to their monopoly on products sold by apple.

hasenj 16y ago
Apple is a monopoly in the sense that I can't drag and drop mp3 files into my iphone. They impose strict control on how you can use your device. They control the app store. and they seem to moving towards more control; not less. I was considering getting a Mac at the beginning of this year. I got an iPhone, and decided never to buy any iThing ever again. I like good design and visual appeal, but not to the point of sacrificing substance for form.
- ra88it 16y ago
  > Apple is a monopoly in the sense that I can't drag and drop mp3 files into my iphone. Having a hard time with this one. Can you please explain how this makes Apple a monopoly?
  - Gibbon 16y ago
    I've got an alias in my downloads folder that auto adds mp3s to iTunes and iTunes auto-syncs to my ipod when I plug it in. I don't even have to think about dragging and dropping anything.
- raganwald 16y ago
  This is like saying that Kim Il Jong is a monopoly on the World Stage. If you want hyperbole, Apple is a Dictator ruling mercilessly over its subjects. But not a monopoly.
- sokoloff 16y ago
  I got an iPhone, and decided never to buy any iThing ever again. So, I assume that you'll be buying competing devices from other vendors for your future computing, mobile phone and portable media consumption needs? If you answered yes, THAT is what makes Apple a non-monopoly.
- hasenj 16y ago
  hm I think I can't edit my posts? I suppose monopoly in English only refers to market control (my bad). In certain other languages, the word for monopoly is the same word for "complete control". I was assuming the word monopoly in English has evolved to capture that meaning as well -.- All Apple devices are closed and restricted, it is as if when you buy an iPhone, you don't own it; you're merely getting permission (from Apple) to use it. Five years ago, one would've imagined that only Microsoft can do something as evil as that.
fxj 16y ago
apple has the monopoly on iphones. and every geek wants an iphone. so apple has a monopoly in the geek world. microsoft has the monopoly on windows. and every pc in the world is sold with windows.this is what i call an effective monopoly. add that to the wannabe bing monopoly and you know why microsoft is not an underdog at all!
- cookiecaper 16y ago
  I don't want an iPhone or any other Apple product really. I may reluctantly update my MacBook Pro in a few years just to have something not-slow that can run OS X natively and properly, but I don't really _want_ to do that, just feel like it's a smart investment so that when a client asks if I can use some Mac-only software, I can reasonably and compatibly do so. That is the only Apple product I want. iPhones are immensely overrated and Android is a far superior platform for hackers.
  - fxj 16y ago
    yes you are totally right. but why is apple selling so many iphones? yes android is catching up (and for me it is a no-brainer that android is the superior platform) but still the iphone4 is the holy grail in the press. there was a time when i really wanted a macbook because it was the better os (wrt linux, not windows) but apple lost its credibility by no longer fixing bugs and selling them as features now. (think about the finder or the shitty keyboard).
- houseabsolute 16y ago
  Just selling a single popular product in a sector does not make you a monopoly. Brushing up on the definition of the term might help you understand.
- usaar333 16y ago
  Every geek? I'm a geek and don't own/want any Apple product. There are many geeks out there like me - a minority for sure - but enough that Apple lacks a monopoly over geeks.

hasenj 16y ago

Apple is a monopoly in the sense that I can't drag and drop mp3 files into my iphone. They impose strict control on how you can use your device. They control the app store. and they seem to moving towards more control; not less. I was considering getting a Mac at the beginning of this year. I got an iPhone, and decided never to buy any iThing ever again. I like good design and visual appeal, but not to the point of sacrificing substance for form.

ra88it 16y ago
> Apple is a monopoly in the sense that I can't drag and drop mp3 files into my iphone. Having a hard time with this one. Can you please explain how this makes Apple a monopoly?
- Gibbon 16y ago
  I've got an alias in my downloads folder that auto adds mp3s to iTunes and iTunes auto-syncs to my ipod when I plug it in. I don't even have to think about dragging and dropping anything.
raganwald 16y ago
This is like saying that Kim Il Jong is a monopoly on the World Stage. If you want hyperbole, Apple is a Dictator ruling mercilessly over its subjects. But not a monopoly.
sokoloff 16y ago
I got an iPhone, and decided never to buy any iThing ever again. So, I assume that you'll be buying competing devices from other vendors for your future computing, mobile phone and portable media consumption needs? If you answered yes, THAT is what makes Apple a non-monopoly.
hasenj 16y ago
hm I think I can't edit my posts? I suppose monopoly in English only refers to market control (my bad). In certain other languages, the word for monopoly is the same word for "complete control". I was assuming the word monopoly in English has evolved to capture that meaning as well -.- All Apple devices are closed and restricted, it is as if when you buy an iPhone, you don't own it; you're merely getting permission (from Apple) to use it. Five years ago, one would've imagined that only Microsoft can do something as evil as that.

fxj 16y ago

apple has the monopoly on iphones. and every geek wants an iphone. so apple has a monopoly in the geek world. microsoft has the monopoly on windows. and every pc in the world is sold with windows.this is what i call an effective monopoly. add that to the wannabe bing monopoly and you know why microsoft is not an underdog at all!

cookiecaper 16y ago
I don't want an iPhone or any other Apple product really. I may reluctantly update my MacBook Pro in a few years just to have something not-slow that can run OS X natively and properly, but I don't really _want_ to do that, just feel like it's a smart investment so that when a client asks if I can use some Mac-only software, I can reasonably and compatibly do so. That is the only Apple product I want. iPhones are immensely overrated and Android is a far superior platform for hackers.
- fxj 16y ago
  yes you are totally right. but why is apple selling so many iphones? yes android is catching up (and for me it is a no-brainer that android is the superior platform) but still the iphone4 is the holy grail in the press. there was a time when i really wanted a macbook because it was the better os (wrt linux, not windows) but apple lost its credibility by no longer fixing bugs and selling them as features now. (think about the finder or the shitty keyboard).
houseabsolute 16y ago
Just selling a single popular product in a sector does not make you a monopoly. Brushing up on the definition of the term might help you understand.
usaar333 16y ago
Every geek? I'm a geek and don't own/want any Apple product. There are many geeks out there like me - a minority for sure - but enough that Apple lacks a monopoly over geeks.