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> And why is some white dude in Oregon complaining about Kenyans? (Unclear.) It's not unclear, it's because he isn't happy about them not keeping time properly

> And why is some white dude in Oregon complaining about Kenyans? (Unclear.) It's not unclear, it's because he isn't happy about them not keeping time properly, which is what the entire article is about! > Punctuality is a sign of respect and goes a long way toward building trust and confidence. But must it be forced on the many Kenyans and other Africans who still believe in "African time"? It doesn't need to be forced on anyone, but if they don't want to be respectful of others' time, or build trust and confidence, it's basically only themselves they're harming in the long run. We have some of this in the UK as well. If people say a party starts at 7, they might actually mean "don't show up until 7.30". Personally I refuse to play such opaque games, and usually show up exactly at the time specified.

zulln 9y ago
> If people say a party starts at 7, they might actually mean "don't show up until 7.30". Personally I refuse to play such opaque games, and usually show up exactly at the time specified. This is another question, this would be more of social cues than respect imo. You are free to dislike this kind of 'game', but we should not confuse the issues.
- carussell 9y ago
  You focused on the word "game", but the key to the thought lies in the word "opaque".
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somebadguy 9y ago
You poor socially stunted loser.
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tinco 9y ago
It's not just a game. Hosting a party takes some preparation, and preparation means things can take longer than expected. I sometimes arrive at parties at the moment they're scheduled to start and never has the host been anything but welcoming and gracious. But don't mistake, I'll be helping the host finish up the party decorations, set up the bowls of chips and arrange the beverages for the first 10-20 minutes. Arriving to a party early is nonetheless a very good idea. It almost always means you get to intimately socialize with the host, a chance you might not get when the party has already started, especially if you're on the shy side of the spectrum. Arriving early to parties is one of the tips in Leil Lowndes' "How to talk to anyone"[1] that I read and can recommend. 1] https://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Anyone-Success-Relationships/dp/1511305169 https://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Anyone-Success-Relationships...
- sandworm101 9y ago
  Party arrival times are an exercise in social standing. Those higher on the ladder come later, forcing those lower to wait for them. The ulimate example is "queen time". She is never on time and countless thousands regularly wait. The order that the royals arrive to an event signals thier rank. Our version of this is waiting for the cool people to show up.
- toasterlovin 9y ago
  I use a similar tactic for professional networking at tech meet ups: I always offer to help clean up afterwards. Every single time it has resulted in me being on a first name basis with the group organizer (who is usually pretty well integrated into the tech community).

zulln 9y ago

> If people say a party starts at 7, they might actually mean "don't show up until 7.30". Personally I refuse to play such opaque games, and usually show up exactly at the time specified. This is another question, this would be more of social cues than respect imo. You are free to dislike this kind of 'game', but we should not confuse the issues.

carussell 9y ago
You focused on the word "game", but the key to the thought lies in the word "opaque".

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somebadguy 9y ago

You poor socially stunted loser.

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tinco 9y ago

It's not just a game. Hosting a party takes some preparation, and preparation means things can take longer than expected. I sometimes arrive at parties at the moment they're scheduled to start and never has the host been anything but welcoming and gracious. But don't mistake, I'll be helping the host finish up the party decorations, set up the bowls of chips and arrange the beverages for the first 10-20 minutes. Arriving to a party early is nonetheless a very good idea. It almost always means you get to intimately socialize with the host, a chance you might not get when the party has already started, especially if you're on the shy side of the spectrum. Arriving early to parties is one of the tips in Leil Lowndes' "How to talk to anyone"[1] that I read and can recommend. 1] https://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Anyone-Success-Relationships/dp/1511305169 https://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Anyone-Success-Relationships...

sandworm101 9y ago
Party arrival times are an exercise in social standing. Those higher on the ladder come later, forcing those lower to wait for them. The ulimate example is "queen time". She is never on time and countless thousands regularly wait. The order that the royals arrive to an event signals thier rank. Our version of this is waiting for the cool people to show up.
toasterlovin 9y ago
I use a similar tactic for professional networking at tech meet ups: I always offer to help clean up afterwards. Every single time it has resulted in me being on a first name basis with the group organizer (who is usually pretty well integrated into the tech community).