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Imagine if American police could be trained to use negotiation tactics, and de-escalation methods.

ars 9y ago
They are. Remember: If it's in the news it's rare. This means that Police violence in America is rare, and Police negotiating with an ISP is rare.
- dade_ 9y ago
  How is 1188 rare? 100 people a month is absurdly common. http://killedbypolice.net/ http://killedbypolice.net/
  - MikeAmelung 9y ago
    Can't really make that argument without considering the population of a country, right?
    - femto 9y ago
      Wikipedia has the numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country#Comparison_of_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country#... Per capita, at least 5 times more people die in the US from police firearms compared to similar countries. Compared to Australia, its about 80x (per capita).
  - albntomat0 9y ago
    Out of a country with a population of 320+ million, with 750,000+ "sworn officers" (able to make arrests) [0], 1188 is not "absurdly common", especially as that count is an overestimate of the objectionable cases (by how much is difficult to determine). The issue with police shooting deaths is not that there is a high likelihood of an individual dieing tomorrow (for reference, drunk driving deaths are 10x police shooting deaths [1]), but the injustice of innocent people being killed. Accurately representing the problem, and avoiding the "all police are terrible" comments is vital to actually trying to fix this, as a solution necessitates actively working with police, the vast majority of which have not, and will never, shoot anyone. [0]: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/nsleed.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/nsleed.pdf [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa...
    - OscarCunningham 9y ago
      It's a small number of deaths per capita, but quite large per police interaction. So it's possible that the knock-on effects are worse than the injustice. The police would be much less useful if no one ever called them, and why would I call them if there's a significant chance of them killing me or someone else?
- int_19h 9y ago
  Police shooting people is rare in US in absolute numbers, but it's higher per capita, and worse yet, it keeps going up (and the crime rate keeps going down, esp. violent crime, so that can't be the explanation).

ars 9y ago

They are. Remember: If it's in the news it's rare. This means that Police violence in America is rare, and Police negotiating with an ISP is rare.

dade_ 9y ago
How is 1188 rare? 100 people a month is absurdly common. http://killedbypolice.net/ http://killedbypolice.net/
- MikeAmelung 9y ago
  Can't really make that argument without considering the population of a country, right?
  - femto 9y ago
    Wikipedia has the numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country#Comparison_of_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country#... Per capita, at least 5 times more people die in the US from police firearms compared to similar countries. Compared to Australia, its about 80x (per capita).
- albntomat0 9y ago
  Out of a country with a population of 320+ million, with 750,000+ "sworn officers" (able to make arrests) [0], 1188 is not "absurdly common", especially as that count is an overestimate of the objectionable cases (by how much is difficult to determine). The issue with police shooting deaths is not that there is a high likelihood of an individual dieing tomorrow (for reference, drunk driving deaths are 10x police shooting deaths [1]), but the injustice of innocent people being killed. Accurately representing the problem, and avoiding the "all police are terrible" comments is vital to actually trying to fix this, as a solution necessitates actively working with police, the vast majority of which have not, and will never, shoot anyone. [0]: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/nsleed.pdf https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/nsleed.pdf [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa...
  - OscarCunningham 9y ago
    It's a small number of deaths per capita, but quite large per police interaction. So it's possible that the knock-on effects are worse than the injustice. The police would be much less useful if no one ever called them, and why would I call them if there's a significant chance of them killing me or someone else?
int_19h 9y ago
Police shooting people is rare in US in absolute numbers, but it's higher per capita, and worse yet, it keeps going up (and the crime rate keeps going down, esp. violent crime, so that can't be the explanation).