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Wow, way to dismiss her very valid points. In fact, no, if Instagram and Facebook think this is relevant advertising then they’ve scammed their investors far wo

Wow, way to dismiss her very valid points. In fact, no, if Instagram and Facebook think this is relevant advertising then they’ve scammed their investors far worse than we thought. And if the ads make the user feel unhappy, then they are really bad and they should do something about them. Finally, please get past the false notion that people with advertising-ideal bodies like your sister are somehow putting in more effort than other people. That’s demonstrably false. And in any case your final question is sort of the point of the post you are trying to dismiss. Why do all the women in those ads have one type of body, when there are so many other types out there?

aceofspad3s 9y ago
As a user, I can't think of any ads that would make me happy. As an unattractive person, I wouldn't want to see unattractive people in ads either. Seeing fat people wouldn't make me happier. (Why was this thread collapsed?)
- macintux 9y ago
  Notice how you equate fat with unattractive?
  - aceofspad3s 9y ago
    Fat people are unattractive. I am fat and I am physically unattractive because of that. Thinking otherwise would be fooling myself. Being attracted to fat people is a kink, not the norm.
    - macintux 9y ago
      I'm not attracted to fat people. I'm attracted to attractive people. And there are, amazingly, attractive fat people, despite the cultural norm we've internalized.
      - aceofspad3s 9y ago
        I said PHYSICALLY attractive.
        macintux 9y ago
        And I still assert it's a cultural norm that barrages of advertisement like this reinforce.
        newscracker 9y ago
        In different times and in different cultures, fat people have been considered physically attractive and thinner/slimmer people considered unattractive. Now we live in a globalized world where many aspirations are sold wholesale across cultures and acceptance is manufactured to make it look like the norm.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > Being attracted to fat people is a kink, not the norm. Norms of attractiveness are social constructs that demonstrably change over time.
  - askafriend 9y ago
    Yes because fat people are physically unattractive. Not only are they unattractive aesthetically, it’s just unhealthy and that’s far more of a factor in my opinion. My biological instinct is to find a mate who has the highest probability of successfully reproducing. So even in this regard, someone healthy fits the bill over someone unhealthy any day. Healthy people live longer, are able to more successfully reproduce and have less complications in general. Now should fat people in society be treated worse in terms of the opportunities they have? Absolutely not. But should society reward people for being fat? In my opinion, no, not explicitly. Being unhealthily fat is just as abnormal as being unhealthyily skinny. Normalizing either is probably misguided at best.
    - nunez 9y ago
      > Yes because fat people are physically unattractive. Not only are they unattractive aesthetically, it’s just unhealthy and that’s far more of a factor in my opinion. I think you’re wrong; bigger folks can totally be attractive. That they are unattractive to you is different.
      - askafriend 9y ago
        We can go back and forth on the aesthetics, but the health aspects are what ground us in natural reality and are probably why the norms played out like they did. Again, representing the extremes as norms is not great - I think we can both agree on this point at least. But if there was an ideal that I would rather society value - it would definitely err on the side of healthy and fit.
        StavrosK 9y ago
        > are probably why the norms played out like they did. Cheap food is why the norms played out like they did. In places with less easy access to calories, fat is considered beautiful and thin ugly.
        askafriend 9y ago
askafriend 9y ago
How is putting in a ton of time in the gym every day, watching nutrition very closely, giving up drinking/substances that interfere with progression and working towards fitness goals consistently with discipline not putting in more work than other people? If his sister is doing these things, then she is putting in more work than most people and that’s why she probably looks good and she deserves to be commended. Nothing you said makes a whole lot of sense. It seems like you wrote your post out of anger more than anything else.
michaelchisari 9y ago
if the ads make the user feel unhappy, then they are really bad Are they "bad" by advertising standards, though? The history of advertising is a history of preying on people's insecurities.
- trav4225 9y ago
  Indeed, this is essentially the core purpose of advertising: deception and the exploitation of insecurities. To those of you who work in this field, I urge you to consider your actions and to exercise integrity in your work. I'm not one to make sweeping judgments, but I must admit that, personally, I sometimes find it difficult to understand how some people in the field of marketing can do what they do with a clean conscience.
dominotw 9y ago
There is big billboard outside my work ( and all over Chicago) that says " ulchaer tackles balding" with before and after. Before urlacher look some what like me :d. It's not specific to digital marketing . Some ppl might be triggered when they see a billboard for an expensive car that you can't afford.
alsetmusic 9y ago
> Finally, please get past the false notion that people with advertising-ideal bodies like your sister are somehow putting in more effort than other people. That’s demonstrably false. I put in no effort and thus have a beer gut. Before my metabolism slowed, I was super skinny with no muscle definition. Neither are considered an ideal male physique, but I don’t knock people who work out and have great bodies to show for it. It’s just not terribly important to me. Your comment sounds very much like the insecurity that the parent was pointing out. I’m with the parent on this. There’s nothing wrong with people who spend time and effort to look physically fit, if that makes them happy. Note that I’m not in support of exploiting people who don’t like the way they look.
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aceofspad3s 9y ago

As a user, I can't think of any ads that would make me happy. As an unattractive person, I wouldn't want to see unattractive people in ads either. Seeing fat people wouldn't make me happier. (Why was this thread collapsed?)

macintux 9y ago
Notice how you equate fat with unattractive?
- aceofspad3s 9y ago
  Fat people are unattractive. I am fat and I am physically unattractive because of that. Thinking otherwise would be fooling myself. Being attracted to fat people is a kink, not the norm.
  - macintux 9y ago
    I'm not attracted to fat people. I'm attracted to attractive people. And there are, amazingly, attractive fat people, despite the cultural norm we've internalized.
    - aceofspad3s 9y ago
      I said PHYSICALLY attractive.
      - macintux 9y ago
        And I still assert it's a cultural norm that barrages of advertisement like this reinforce.
      - newscracker 9y ago
        In different times and in different cultures, fat people have been considered physically attractive and thinner/slimmer people considered unattractive. Now we live in a globalized world where many aspirations are sold wholesale across cultures and acceptance is manufactured to make it look like the norm.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Being attracted to fat people is a kink, not the norm. Norms of attractiveness are social constructs that demonstrably change over time.
- askafriend 9y ago
  Yes because fat people are physically unattractive. Not only are they unattractive aesthetically, it’s just unhealthy and that’s far more of a factor in my opinion. My biological instinct is to find a mate who has the highest probability of successfully reproducing. So even in this regard, someone healthy fits the bill over someone unhealthy any day. Healthy people live longer, are able to more successfully reproduce and have less complications in general. Now should fat people in society be treated worse in terms of the opportunities they have? Absolutely not. But should society reward people for being fat? In my opinion, no, not explicitly. Being unhealthily fat is just as abnormal as being unhealthyily skinny. Normalizing either is probably misguided at best.
  - nunez 9y ago
    > Yes because fat people are physically unattractive. Not only are they unattractive aesthetically, it’s just unhealthy and that’s far more of a factor in my opinion. I think you’re wrong; bigger folks can totally be attractive. That they are unattractive to you is different.
    - askafriend 9y ago
      We can go back and forth on the aesthetics, but the health aspects are what ground us in natural reality and are probably why the norms played out like they did. Again, representing the extremes as norms is not great - I think we can both agree on this point at least. But if there was an ideal that I would rather society value - it would definitely err on the side of healthy and fit.
      - StavrosK 9y ago
        > are probably why the norms played out like they did. Cheap food is why the norms played out like they did. In places with less easy access to calories, fat is considered beautiful and thin ugly.
        askafriend 9y ago

askafriend 9y ago

How is putting in a ton of time in the gym every day, watching nutrition very closely, giving up drinking/substances that interfere with progression and working towards fitness goals consistently with discipline not putting in more work than other people? If his sister is doing these things, then she is putting in more work than most people and that’s why she probably looks good and she deserves to be commended. Nothing you said makes a whole lot of sense. It seems like you wrote your post out of anger more than anything else.

michaelchisari 9y ago

if the ads make the user feel unhappy, then they are really bad Are they "bad" by advertising standards, though? The history of advertising is a history of preying on people's insecurities.

trav4225 9y ago
Indeed, this is essentially the core purpose of advertising: deception and the exploitation of insecurities. To those of you who work in this field, I urge you to consider your actions and to exercise integrity in your work. I'm not one to make sweeping judgments, but I must admit that, personally, I sometimes find it difficult to understand how some people in the field of marketing can do what they do with a clean conscience.

dominotw 9y ago

There is big billboard outside my work ( and all over Chicago) that says " ulchaer tackles balding" with before and after. Before urlacher look some what like me :d. It's not specific to digital marketing . Some ppl might be triggered when they see a billboard for an expensive car that you can't afford.

alsetmusic 9y ago

> Finally, please get past the false notion that people with advertising-ideal bodies like your sister are somehow putting in more effort than other people. That’s demonstrably false. I put in no effort and thus have a beer gut. Before my metabolism slowed, I was super skinny with no muscle definition. Neither are considered an ideal male physique, but I don’t knock people who work out and have great bodies to show for it. It’s just not terribly important to me. Your comment sounds very much like the insecurity that the parent was pointing out. I’m with the parent on this. There’s nothing wrong with people who spend time and effort to look physically fit, if that makes them happy. Note that I’m not in support of exploiting people who don’t like the way they look.

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