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I'm actually surprised at how much bitcoin cash pushing there is. I started thinking it was trolling and spam accounts, but im getting convinced of otherwise by

I'm actually surprised at how much bitcoin cash pushing there is. I started thinking it was trolling and spam accounts, but im getting convinced of otherwise by now. Its like a storm brewing.

yownie 9y ago
I'm not, it's ALL trolling and bot accounts.
- skydv 9y ago
  nope, otherwise all major exchanges and processors wouldn't be switching to it for good
- slindz 9y ago
  It sounds like you're projecting. Bitcoin Core trolls and bots are a common problem on reddit. Adam Back (CEO of Blockstream) has admitted to hiring teams of people to control the narrative
erentz 9y ago
It’s disturbing because there’s really nothing good technically to support it and it’s highly centralized. If you believe in the ideas behind Bitcoin and decentralized crypto currencies in general you would in theory be very opposed to Bitcoin Cash. And if you’re not so concerned about tenants of decentralization then you’d be assessing currencies more like businesses or startups: look at the development team, the management, etc. and in that case there are much better alternatives to BCH. It’s very bizarre and sad for the damage it’s doing, really seemingly just to enrich a few.
- candiodari 9y ago
  Surely from a decentralization point of view almost nothing would beat iota.
  - arcticbull 9y ago
    Surely, IOTA is a pile of insanity, right? It is still centralized right? [1] The whole thing is still implemented in ternary [2] for some reason right? Implemented by the people who rolled their own crypto, then when they - days later - were told it was obviously and trivially broken (collisions discovered via differential cryptanalysis) claimed they left it broken as some sort of copy protection mechanism? [3] And then pretended Microsoft was involved? [4] The one of which Schneier wrote: “In 2017, leaving your crypto algorithm vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis is a rookie mistake. It says that no one of any calibre analyzed their system, and that the odds that their fix makes the system secure is low.” That IOTA? [1] https://medium.com/@ercwl/iota-is-centralized-6289246e7b4d https://medium.com/@ercwl/iota-is-centralized-6289246e7b4d [2] https://hackernoon.com/why-i-find-iota-deeply-alarming-934f1908194b https://hackernoon.com/why-i-find-iota-deeply-alarming-934f1... [3] https://gist.github.com/Come-from-Beyond/a84ab8615aac13a4543c786f9e35b84a https://gist.github.com/Come-from-Beyond/a84ab8615aac13a4543... [4] https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2017/12/12/iota-partnership-microsoft-marketplace/ https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2017/12/12/iota-partnership-...
    - candiodari 9y ago
      Unfortunately they all are. There were 5-6 years when bitcoin actually wasn't totally insance, but unfortunately the way the "powers that be" (exchanges + hash pool managers) are treating the rest of us, that ended definitively in September (actually more like Februari, but ...). You can't transact in bitcoin, and nothing else has any acceptance ... That breaks cryptocurrency, so all one looks at is finding interesting toys. So I guess I'm doing the same thing as all your posts you linked to, I'm saying "I'm excited, if 'the tangle' demonstrates that it can scale, I'd love to see that happen". I would suggest nobody invest in any cryptocurrency. That said, having 50$ of play money in iota (and others) is both fun and interesting.
- slindz 9y ago
  This is laughable. Technically BTC and BCH share a near identical codebase, save for the recent junk BCH had to remove. Larger BCH block size prevent transaction buildup that has caused the fees to go insane on the BTC side of the fence. The new BCH difficulty adjustment protects it from would-be gaming/manipulation by miners. Technical progress is actually happening with BCH. Technical progress is currently vapourware with BTC. Centralization BCH has six distinct and separate development teams. BTC has one gatekeeping development team aggressively blocking proposals that get in the way of selling second layer solutions.
slindz 9y ago
That's because the people who fell in love with Bitcoin pre-2014 see the world-changing potential in the project again. Bitcoin Core has killed any practical use cases by refusing to scale and causing $50 fees. Bitcoin Cash works today and puts the original vision back on track.
- aeternus 9y ago
  Wasn't the original vision that Bitcoin could be used for everyday transactions like purchasing a cup of coffee? Can Bitcoin Cash really support that rate of transactions? How large would the blocks have to be?
  - slindz 9y ago
    Bitcoin Cash has 8MB blocks today, 8x larger than Core. Core propaganda will decry this as lunacy since people won't be able to run nodes on raspberry pi's anymore. The sad reality is you can buy the hardware required for the cost of a single BTC transaction. BCH nodes/miners can increase to 32MB without a hard fork, it's just as a config setting. GB blocks are possible today with today's hardware, though those won't be necessary for quite some time. TB blocks are almost possible today, though a little further out in practice. The vision (and current reality of BCH) is that every transaction should make it in to the next block for less than a penny. Low/non-existent fees is the only way a meaningful global exchange system will emerge. Better to have everybody on the globe doing 5 transactions a day for dust than to have a few hodlers transact twice a year.

I'm actually surprised at how much bitcoin cash pushing there is. I started thinking it was trolling and spam accounts, but im getting convinced of otherwise by now. Its like a storm brewing.

yownie 9y ago

I'm not, it's ALL trolling and bot accounts.

skydv 9y ago
nope, otherwise all major exchanges and processors wouldn't be switching to it for good
slindz 9y ago
It sounds like you're projecting. Bitcoin Core trolls and bots are a common problem on reddit. Adam Back (CEO of Blockstream) has admitted to hiring teams of people to control the narrative

erentz 9y ago

It’s disturbing because there’s really nothing good technically to support it and it’s highly centralized. If you believe in the ideas behind Bitcoin and decentralized crypto currencies in general you would in theory be very opposed to Bitcoin Cash. And if you’re not so concerned about tenants of decentralization then you’d be assessing currencies more like businesses or startups: look at the development team, the management, etc. and in that case there are much better alternatives to BCH. It’s very bizarre and sad for the damage it’s doing, really seemingly just to enrich a few.

candiodari 9y ago
Surely from a decentralization point of view almost nothing would beat iota.
- arcticbull 9y ago
  Surely, IOTA is a pile of insanity, right? It is still centralized right? [1] The whole thing is still implemented in ternary [2] for some reason right? Implemented by the people who rolled their own crypto, then when they - days later - were told it was obviously and trivially broken (collisions discovered via differential cryptanalysis) claimed they left it broken as some sort of copy protection mechanism? [3] And then pretended Microsoft was involved? [4] The one of which Schneier wrote: “In 2017, leaving your crypto algorithm vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis is a rookie mistake. It says that no one of any calibre analyzed their system, and that the odds that their fix makes the system secure is low.” That IOTA? [1] https://medium.com/@ercwl/iota-is-centralized-6289246e7b4d https://medium.com/@ercwl/iota-is-centralized-6289246e7b4d [2] https://hackernoon.com/why-i-find-iota-deeply-alarming-934f1908194b https://hackernoon.com/why-i-find-iota-deeply-alarming-934f1... [3] https://gist.github.com/Come-from-Beyond/a84ab8615aac13a4543c786f9e35b84a https://gist.github.com/Come-from-Beyond/a84ab8615aac13a4543... [4] https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2017/12/12/iota-partnership-microsoft-marketplace/ https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2017/12/12/iota-partnership-...
  - candiodari 9y ago
    Unfortunately they all are. There were 5-6 years when bitcoin actually wasn't totally insance, but unfortunately the way the "powers that be" (exchanges + hash pool managers) are treating the rest of us, that ended definitively in September (actually more like Februari, but ...). You can't transact in bitcoin, and nothing else has any acceptance ... That breaks cryptocurrency, so all one looks at is finding interesting toys. So I guess I'm doing the same thing as all your posts you linked to, I'm saying "I'm excited, if 'the tangle' demonstrates that it can scale, I'd love to see that happen". I would suggest nobody invest in any cryptocurrency. That said, having 50$ of play money in iota (and others) is both fun and interesting.
slindz 9y ago
This is laughable. Technically BTC and BCH share a near identical codebase, save for the recent junk BCH had to remove. Larger BCH block size prevent transaction buildup that has caused the fees to go insane on the BTC side of the fence. The new BCH difficulty adjustment protects it from would-be gaming/manipulation by miners. Technical progress is actually happening with BCH. Technical progress is currently vapourware with BTC. Centralization BCH has six distinct and separate development teams. BTC has one gatekeeping development team aggressively blocking proposals that get in the way of selling second layer solutions.

slindz 9y ago

That's because the people who fell in love with Bitcoin pre-2014 see the world-changing potential in the project again. Bitcoin Core has killed any practical use cases by refusing to scale and causing $50 fees. Bitcoin Cash works today and puts the original vision back on track.

aeternus 9y ago
Wasn't the original vision that Bitcoin could be used for everyday transactions like purchasing a cup of coffee? Can Bitcoin Cash really support that rate of transactions? How large would the blocks have to be?
- slindz 9y ago
  Bitcoin Cash has 8MB blocks today, 8x larger than Core. Core propaganda will decry this as lunacy since people won't be able to run nodes on raspberry pi's anymore. The sad reality is you can buy the hardware required for the cost of a single BTC transaction. BCH nodes/miners can increase to 32MB without a hard fork, it's just as a config setting. GB blocks are possible today with today's hardware, though those won't be necessary for quite some time. TB blocks are almost possible today, though a little further out in practice. The vision (and current reality of BCH) is that every transaction should make it in to the next block for less than a penny. Low/non-existent fees is the only way a meaningful global exchange system will emerge. Better to have everybody on the globe doing 5 transactions a day for dust than to have a few hodlers transact twice a year.