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If you budget properly, then it is no problem. If you say you are unable to budget because you are poor then you are just deluding yourself. I have been well o

If you budget properly, then it is no problem. If you say you are unable to budget because you are poor then you are just deluding yourself. I have been well off and poor and if you look at what you are spending you cash on very carefully, you can make changes that allow you to get ahead, even if only a small way. I just watched a local lady buy 3 packs of fags (30 per pack) and she spent $90+ on those items. That's the equivalent of a week's food for the five of us at home (youngest is 16, eldest is 58). The process above of buying from a farmer and getting a butcher to slaughter and pack is something we have done over the years. I have even slaughtered and butchered sheep myself, an interesting task but well worth the effort to learn. Best mutton I have ever had.

PhasmaFelis 9y ago
> If you budget properly, then it is no problem. If you say you are unable to budget because you are poor then you are just deluding yourself. I know people for whom $1600 is more than a month's pay. No amount of budgeting makes it reasonable or responsible to spend that on meat. For that matter, I know people who work their asses off and budget their expenditures down to the penny and are still living paycheck-to-paycheck. I think you're deluding yourself about just how poor "poor" can be.
- oldandtired 9y ago
  Budgeting their expenditures down to the penny can be a problem in itself. It is what and how they spend their pennies that determine whether they live from one pay to the next. In many cases, it takes self-discipline to control what you spend your hard-earned pennies on. In the case you mention, how much of that $1600 is spent of optional niceties and how much on actual necessities? I know of people (friends) who can take $100 and buy 2 or 3 weeks of food for a family of 4. It take a lot of judicious planning to do so, but it is doable. If the area you are in does not allow such planning, then it is time to move away to a better place. One can join other people and buy in bulk. One can use the base ingredients to make your own cereals. There are so many different things that can be done.
  - PhasmaFelis 9y ago
    > In the case you mention, how much of that $1600 is spent of optional niceties and how much on actual necessities? I know of people (friends) who can take $100 and buy 2 or 3 weeks of food for a family of 4. The person I'm talking about does that. I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. She feeds her family as cheaply as possible, pays the rent and the bills and the gas, and still struggles to save enough to keep the kids in clothes and school supplies. If the car breaks down, or someone gets sick, it's a disaster. These are just numbers off the top of my head, but if you take home $1600/month and pay $800 in rent, $200 for gas and electric and water and a landline phone, $200 car payment, and $200 for gas to get to work, you aren't going to be saving much no matter how cheaply you eat. Budgeting is important, but it can't create money where there is none. > If the area you are in does not allow such planning, then it is time to move away to a better place. Do you know how much it costs to move? Even aside from the monetary cost of transporting your possessions, and the difficulty of finding anyone who will rent to someone with no savings and little income, a single parent working 40-60 hours a week doesn't have the time to travel to a new city and search for a home and a job there. The kind of jobs that poor people do don't advertise on LinkedIn or let you interview over the phone; you need to walk in and fill out paperwork. You said you've been poor, but I don't think you grasp just how poor many people are in America.

PhasmaFelis 9y ago

> If you budget properly, then it is no problem. If you say you are unable to budget because you are poor then you are just deluding yourself. I know people for whom $1600 is more than a month's pay. No amount of budgeting makes it reasonable or responsible to spend that on meat. For that matter, I know people who work their asses off and budget their expenditures down to the penny and are still living paycheck-to-paycheck. I think you're deluding yourself about just how poor "poor" can be.

oldandtired 9y ago
Budgeting their expenditures down to the penny can be a problem in itself. It is what and how they spend their pennies that determine whether they live from one pay to the next. In many cases, it takes self-discipline to control what you spend your hard-earned pennies on. In the case you mention, how much of that $1600 is spent of optional niceties and how much on actual necessities? I know of people (friends) who can take $100 and buy 2 or 3 weeks of food for a family of 4. It take a lot of judicious planning to do so, but it is doable. If the area you are in does not allow such planning, then it is time to move away to a better place. One can join other people and buy in bulk. One can use the base ingredients to make your own cereals. There are so many different things that can be done.
- PhasmaFelis 9y ago
  > In the case you mention, how much of that $1600 is spent of optional niceties and how much on actual necessities? I know of people (friends) who can take $100 and buy 2 or 3 weeks of food for a family of 4. The person I'm talking about does that. I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. She feeds her family as cheaply as possible, pays the rent and the bills and the gas, and still struggles to save enough to keep the kids in clothes and school supplies. If the car breaks down, or someone gets sick, it's a disaster. These are just numbers off the top of my head, but if you take home $1600/month and pay $800 in rent, $200 for gas and electric and water and a landline phone, $200 car payment, and $200 for gas to get to work, you aren't going to be saving much no matter how cheaply you eat. Budgeting is important, but it can't create money where there is none. > If the area you are in does not allow such planning, then it is time to move away to a better place. Do you know how much it costs to move? Even aside from the monetary cost of transporting your possessions, and the difficulty of finding anyone who will rent to someone with no savings and little income, a single parent working 40-60 hours a week doesn't have the time to travel to a new city and search for a home and a job there. The kind of jobs that poor people do don't advertise on LinkedIn or let you interview over the phone; you need to walk in and fill out paperwork. You said you've been poor, but I don't think you grasp just how poor many people are in America.