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> I fear for my life on the freeway when an idiot driver cuts me off. Bad analogy. You have no option to kill them to save your life.

aswanson 9y ago
Exactly my point. Why should a so called trained officer of the law have more fear and less ability to preserve life in at a level of risk the average commuter or health care professional has? Nurse aides are confronted with more violent situations statistically and don't kill anywhere near the rates of cops.
- brucephillips 9y ago
  > Nurse aides are confronted with more violent situations statistically source?
  - aswanson 9y ago
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263709.php https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263709.php
    - brucephillips 9y ago
      My point is that if you did have a way of killing a commuter to save your own live, you would be justified in doing so, just as a cop is. The fact that you don't is a consequence of how driving works, not of power that society is stripping you of. You do have this right on the street, for instance. Just as a cop does.
      - aswanson 9y ago
        My point is that any living human in your presence can be interpreted as a 'threat to your life ' and the law is too loose and allows cowards and nervous people with badges to get away with preventable murder.
        brucephillips 9y ago
        > My point is that any living human in your presence can be interpreted as a 'threat to your life ' Not reasonably, no, which is why all people, including cops, must continue to be allowed to defend their own lives when their is a reasonable threat. Can you really not imagine a situation where a cop would reasonably fear for their life? Really?
        aswanson 9y ago
        Of course I can imagine one. The point is, the law is written such that any statement by the cop stating fear has to be interpreted as truth. Hence non convictions on a body armored cop, with 4 backing officers shooting 5 ak rounds in a prone crying man's unarmed back after a stupid game of Simon says.
        brucephillips 9y ago
        This is what you said "Precisely why the "feared for my life" defense of police execution has to be ended." Which is a clear argument for removing officers right to defend themselves when they fear for their life, reasonably or unreasonably. You're moving the goal posts.
        aswanson 9y ago
        I think you're reading my intentions in bad faith. Of course police should be able to defend themselves when warranted. The law and training of the police has been shown to exhibit too broad a defintion of when warranted, at the expense of the citizen, because it is based on the subjective, ambiguous definition of fear. This is my last clarification of what I meant as I find this conversation is a waste of time, because you are being pedantic rather than dealing with the spirit of the argument. If you follow the Roman Calendar, Happy New Years, in advance. Cheers.
        brucephillips 9y ago
        > I think you're reading my intentions in bad faith. One can only read your words, not your intentions. If you want to avoid miscommunication, make your words match your intentions.
      - vehementi 9y ago
        So wait, if I legally have a gun in my car it'd be fine to start shooting at that erratic driver?
        LoSboccacc 9y ago
        Nothing goes over his head! He’s too fast!
        brucephillips 9y ago
        If that was the only way to save your life in that circumstance, which when driving it almost never is, then of course. What about self defense laws do you not understand?
  - aswanson 9y ago
    Garbage workers and fishers have it worse than cops: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-dangerous-jobs/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-dangerous-jobs/

aswanson 9y ago

Exactly my point. Why should a so called trained officer of the law have more fear and less ability to preserve life in at a level of risk the average commuter or health care professional has? Nurse aides are confronted with more violent situations statistically and don't kill anywhere near the rates of cops.

brucephillips 9y ago
> Nurse aides are confronted with more violent situations statistically source?
- aswanson 9y ago
  https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263709.php https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263709.php
  - brucephillips 9y ago
    My point is that if you did have a way of killing a commuter to save your own live, you would be justified in doing so, just as a cop is. The fact that you don't is a consequence of how driving works, not of power that society is stripping you of. You do have this right on the street, for instance. Just as a cop does.
    - aswanson 9y ago
      My point is that any living human in your presence can be interpreted as a 'threat to your life ' and the law is too loose and allows cowards and nervous people with badges to get away with preventable murder.
      - brucephillips 9y ago
        > My point is that any living human in your presence can be interpreted as a 'threat to your life ' Not reasonably, no, which is why all people, including cops, must continue to be allowed to defend their own lives when their is a reasonable threat. Can you really not imagine a situation where a cop would reasonably fear for their life? Really?
        aswanson 9y ago
        Of course I can imagine one. The point is, the law is written such that any statement by the cop stating fear has to be interpreted as truth. Hence non convictions on a body armored cop, with 4 backing officers shooting 5 ak rounds in a prone crying man's unarmed back after a stupid game of Simon says.
        brucephillips 9y ago
        This is what you said "Precisely why the "feared for my life" defense of police execution has to be ended." Which is a clear argument for removing officers right to defend themselves when they fear for their life, reasonably or unreasonably. You're moving the goal posts.
        aswanson 9y ago
        I think you're reading my intentions in bad faith. Of course police should be able to defend themselves when warranted. The law and training of the police has been shown to exhibit too broad a defintion of when warranted, at the expense of the citizen, because it is based on the subjective, ambiguous definition of fear. This is my last clarification of what I meant as I find this conversation is a waste of time, because you are being pedantic rather than dealing with the spirit of the argument. If you follow the Roman Calendar, Happy New Years, in advance. Cheers.
        brucephillips 9y ago
        > I think you're reading my intentions in bad faith. One can only read your words, not your intentions. If you want to avoid miscommunication, make your words match your intentions.
    - vehementi 9y ago
      So wait, if I legally have a gun in my car it'd be fine to start shooting at that erratic driver?
      - LoSboccacc 9y ago
        Nothing goes over his head! He’s too fast!
      - brucephillips 9y ago
        If that was the only way to save your life in that circumstance, which when driving it almost never is, then of course. What about self defense laws do you not understand?
- aswanson 9y ago
  Garbage workers and fishers have it worse than cops: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-dangerous-jobs/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-dangerous-jobs/