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Which year is this for? The Finland numbers don't seem right at all. Neither do the Norway ones. The numbers are in fact so wrong that one has to seriously q

Which year is this for? The Finland numbers don't seem right at all. Neither do the Norway ones. The numbers are in fact so wrong that one has to seriously question the motivations of the author, it seems like this is a propaganda piece with made up numbers designed to make the US appear slightly less terrible.

qw 9y ago
The number from Norway is from a single mass shooting in 2011 where a man shot children trapped on an island. There have never been anything like that before or later. He killed more people than the total number of murder victims in an average year.
- ryanlol 9y ago
  I'm well aware, but they still don't make sense in the context unless this is supposed to be a cherry picked list of worst years for each country. I'm still not sure which events the Finland one refers to.
  - m55au 9y ago
    It lists the mass shootings between 2000 and 2014. Take a look at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/obama-gun-control-speech-fact-check-statistics https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/obama-gun-co... for more information. The Finland events are obviously Jokela and Kauhajoki.
    - ryanlol 9y ago
      >The Finland events are obviously Jokela and Kauhajoki. It's not that obvious with the 2009 Sello shooting being dropped out and the 2011 Utoya shooting being included. Given the poor coverage it is very difficult to reverse engineer what this graph is supposed to portray without finding the original source.
davemp 9y ago
The data appear to be correct. Maybe you’ve ingested to much propaganda to believe these numbers. I’m always skeptical of statistics about highly politicized issues as the interpretations and sampling can be very irresponsible/biased.
- ryanlol 9y ago
  The data is for a really arbitrary timespan, why 2000-2014? It’s clearly missing data, Finland for example had more than two mass shootings during those years. The numbers look bad because they are bad, they may however be bad for different reasons than I originally suggested.
  - davemp 9y ago
    It’s old I think. I might try to dig up some more recent stuff.

qw 9y ago

The number from Norway is from a single mass shooting in 2011 where a man shot children trapped on an island. There have never been anything like that before or later. He killed more people than the total number of murder victims in an average year.

ryanlol 9y ago
I'm well aware, but they still don't make sense in the context unless this is supposed to be a cherry picked list of worst years for each country. I'm still not sure which events the Finland one refers to.
- m55au 9y ago
  It lists the mass shootings between 2000 and 2014. Take a look at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/obama-gun-control-speech-fact-check-statistics https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/obama-gun-co... for more information. The Finland events are obviously Jokela and Kauhajoki.
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    >The Finland events are obviously Jokela and Kauhajoki. It's not that obvious with the 2009 Sello shooting being dropped out and the 2011 Utoya shooting being included. Given the poor coverage it is very difficult to reverse engineer what this graph is supposed to portray without finding the original source.

davemp 9y ago

The data appear to be correct. Maybe you’ve ingested to much propaganda to believe these numbers. I’m always skeptical of statistics about highly politicized issues as the interpretations and sampling can be very irresponsible/biased.

ryanlol 9y ago
The data is for a really arbitrary timespan, why 2000-2014? It’s clearly missing data, Finland for example had more than two mass shootings during those years. The numbers look bad because they are bad, they may however be bad for different reasons than I originally suggested.
- davemp 9y ago
  It’s old I think. I might try to dig up some more recent stuff.