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Apparently the USA is behind Norway, Finland, and Switzerland in mass shooting deaths per 100k population [1]. For typical gun related homocides it is most cert
by davemp 9y ago
Apparently the USA is behind Norway, Finland, and Switzerland in mass shooting deaths per 100k population [1]. For typical gun related homocides it is most certainly correlated with poverty and education.
[1]: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/sTbiw2S8fHl89qyY6AXbohcKkvXrCTKg33VwEQ-n-JieBT9aW1mr8d8s65TxJJj-nOCRfN6e1L_wJ8qC8efdaa530z35xQ_cwcGE2g-n98rRB7SprMFZrnpjhvEUgxNKyK_h_OU https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/sTbiw2S8fHl89qyY6AXbohcKkv...
- samastur 9y agoWhen number of shootings is 1, you are not actually doing useful statistics. It can easily be an aberration.
- davemp 9y agoMass shootings are almost by definition outliers
- PeterisP 9y agoIn USA, the measure "number of mass shootings per year" doesn't have real outliers, it has a reasonable number every year. In Norway, it's different, you get a streak of zeroes, followed by a 1.
- davemp 9y agoNorway has __considerably__ lower population than the USA. There has to be normalization or your comparison is just bogus.
- samastur 9y agoSure, but that doesn't solve the original problem which is that you picked small population countries with number of shootings too low to do meaningful statistical analysis your way because any rare event will have an outsized effect. There are however plenty of European countries with populations large enough to avoid this problem (Germany, France, Italy, UK...).
- tveita 9y agoThe comparison is bogus, because you can make the numbers arbitrarily high by subdividing into tiny areas and then conveniently ignoring all the places where they are zero. Why not subdivide further and claim that Buskerud is a veritable warzone, compared to the whole of USA on average?
- ryanlol 9y agoSo why not compare the US to the EU or parts of it?
- ryanlol 9y agoWhich year is this for? The Finland numbers don't seem right at all. Neither do the Norway ones. The numbers are in fact so wrong that one has to seriously question the motivations of the author, it seems like this is a propaganda piece with made up numbers designed to make the US appear slightly less terrible.
- qw 9y agoThe number from Norway is from a single mass shooting in 2011 where a man shot children trapped on an island. There have never been anything like that before or later. He killed more people than the total number of murder victims in an average year.
- ryanlol 9y agoI'm well aware, but they still don't make sense in the context unless this is supposed to be a cherry picked list of worst years for each country. I'm still not sure which events the Finland one refers to.
- m55au 9y agoIt lists the mass shootings between 2000 and 2014. Take a look at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/obama-gun-control-speech-fact-check-statistics https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/obama-gun-co... for more information. The Finland events are obviously Jokela and Kauhajoki.
- ryanlol 9y ago>The Finland events are obviously Jokela and Kauhajoki. It's not that obvious with the 2009 Sello shooting being dropped out and the 2011 Utoya shooting being included. Given the poor coverage it is very difficult to reverse engineer what this graph is supposed to portray without finding the original source.
- davemp 9y agoThe data appear to be correct. Maybe you’ve ingested to much propaganda to believe these numbers. I’m always skeptical of statistics about highly politicized issues as the interpretations and sampling can be very irresponsible/biased.