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A situation that doesn't include the "supposedly" qualification you make. A single anonymous source on a non-911 number without corroborating reports of gunfire

by rbetts 9y ago

A situation that doesn't include the "supposedly" qualification you make. A single anonymous source on a non-911 number without corroborating reports of gunfire is not sufficient cause to shoot a man on his porch. Here's an idea -- fly a drone around the house and look in some windows. Knock on a neighbors door and ask if they heard a gunshot. Establish the identity of the reporter - how does the reporter know what is happening? Is the reporter physically proximate to the area?

oh_sigh 9y ago
> A single anonymous source on a non-911 number without corroborating reports of gunfire is not sufficient cause to shoot a man on his porch. No one is arguing that. > Here's an idea -- fly a drone around the house and look in some windows. Knock on a neighbors door and ask if they heard a gunshot. That sounds great. Until there is an actual hostage situation, and police waste their time doing this and a hostage is killed, at which point people will be asking why they didn't kick the doors down if they knew someone was being held in there. > Establish the identity of the reporter - how does the reporter know what is happening? Is the reporter physically proximate to the area? The reporter claimed to be the person who killed his father and was holding other people hostage. How would you confirm if the reporter was physically in the area? E911 includes location reporting, but this can be spoofed(I don't know if it was in the situation)
- valuearb 9y ago
  This isn't the movies, cops should never be kicking down the door in a hostage situation. They should be guarding the perimeter and trying to talk to the perpetrator.
  - isostatic 9y ago
    Which is exactly what happens in the movies - die hard for example.
    - valuearb 9y ago
      It was the only realistic part of the film.
  - oh_sigh 9y ago
    I'm curious - how much training do you have in SWAT tactics? Where did you get it from? Assuming it is zero, would you in whatever field you are in accept advice from someone who has zero experience in the field?
    - valuearb 9y ago
      Do you think SWAT tactics are designed with minimizing civilian casualties? Or SWAT team casualties?

by rbetts 9y ago

oh_sigh 9y ago

> A single anonymous source on a non-911 number without corroborating reports of gunfire is not sufficient cause to shoot a man on his porch. No one is arguing that. > Here's an idea -- fly a drone around the house and look in some windows. Knock on a neighbors door and ask if they heard a gunshot. That sounds great. Until there is an actual hostage situation, and police waste their time doing this and a hostage is killed, at which point people will be asking why they didn't kick the doors down if they knew someone was being held in there. > Establish the identity of the reporter - how does the reporter know what is happening? Is the reporter physically proximate to the area? The reporter claimed to be the person who killed his father and was holding other people hostage. How would you confirm if the reporter was physically in the area? E911 includes location reporting, but this can be spoofed(I don't know if it was in the situation)

valuearb 9y ago
This isn't the movies, cops should never be kicking down the door in a hostage situation. They should be guarding the perimeter and trying to talk to the perpetrator.
- isostatic 9y ago
  Which is exactly what happens in the movies - die hard for example.
  - valuearb 9y ago
    It was the only realistic part of the film.
- oh_sigh 9y ago
  I'm curious - how much training do you have in SWAT tactics? Where did you get it from? Assuming it is zero, would you in whatever field you are in accept advice from someone who has zero experience in the field?
  - valuearb 9y ago
    Do you think SWAT tactics are designed with minimizing civilian casualties? Or SWAT team casualties?