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It sad to see such an article in the top posts at HW... I wouldn't even bother to reply if not for good people getting the wrong picture on what's going on. Yes

It sad to see such an article in the top posts at HW... I wouldn't even bother to reply if not for good people getting the wrong picture on what's going on. Yes, Facebook does delete posts (Nothing new so far), though only ones which violate Facebook's rules. I live in Israel and not once I've been shown some horrible video of Palestinians attacking locals. I'm not here to blame, nor generalize. I'm saying that this case is nothing special, but rather any other case of posts violating Facebook's rules only in a larger scale and at a specific target, Israel. For what it's worth, the hatred being published about Israel does not go the other way around. I, and many others, do respect and have no hate for Palestinians. We do have some radicals though, but just like in any other society. The sad part of the story is we get casualties on a daily-basis. Almost every week you hear of a terror attack in any part of the country. Most of the attackers are of young age, some of them even take advantage of their youth for lighter punishments. Both sides are losing people, no doubt. But at the end of the day, what's happening is chaos in our streets being done by /any person/ from the other side who feels like it and go on a killing-spree and yet we get slandered over false accusations on the Internet which pictures a wrong description of the situation. I've yet to witness the same brutality being manifested against us the Israelis but to Palestinians on the streets. I wouldn't go talking about IDF besides saying you would laugh if you knew how many restrictions an IDF solider has in any situations /even if his life is in danger/. TLDR; Do not believe /everything/ you read on the internet. Regardless of the publisher's reputation.

goatsi 9y ago
>For what it's worth, the hatred being published about Israel does not go the other way around. I, and many others, do respect and have no hate for Palestinians. The article does disagree with that view. >As Al Jazeera reported last year, “Inflammatory speech posted in the Hebrew language . . . has attracted much less attention from the Israeli authorities and Facebook. One study found that ‘122,000 users directly called for violence with words like ‘murder’, ‘kill’, or ‘burn.’ Arabs were the No 1 recipients of hateful comments. Yet there appears to be little effort by Facebook to censor any of that.” Have you noticed comments like this? Have you ever seen them deleted or Israeli accounts suspended for hateful language?
- deleted 9y ago
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- LorenPechtel 9y ago
  Remember who owns Al Jazeeera. Hint: A terrorist sponsor.
  - lostlogin 9y ago
    A strict definition sees many governments tarred with this brush, with the US, Russia, UK being stand outs. Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting, and they have some good points. This line of arguing achieves nothing, but that’s the point isn’t it? AJ has some of the best reporting about, but attacking the messenger and not the message is far easier isn’t it?
    - ars 9y ago
      AJ threw a birthday part for a terrorist who murdered children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWVkSU3ic4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWVkSU3ic4 > but attacking the messenger They are not a messenger but are full party to praising those who would proudly kill children. I know the US has killed children in conflicts, but the US isn't proud of it, they don't celebrate it. > Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting No. This is false. No one sees terrorists as freedom fighting, except for those who support them. A terrorist is a terrorist. Period. Calling them freedom fighters is utterly repulsive, and whitewashing things like "killing a 4 year old girl by smashing her skull against the rocks with the butt of his rifle." Yes, that is the loathsome creature who AJ celebrated. Tell me how that is freedom fighting? I challenge you - tell me, exactly how that is freedom fighting. I await your answer.
      - lostlogin 9y ago
        “I await your answer”. Really? Yes, Palestinians think freedom is worth fighting for. That man didn’t help his cause. This is not related to the issue though is it? AJ cover issues in the region better than many news orgs.
int_19h 9y ago
The story isn't even about Israel and Palestinians per se. It's about how, when you institute censorship (whether public or private) supposedly for the sake of public good, in practice it tends to be used by groups in power to target groups who aren't - i.e. by majorities against minorities, or, as is the case in Israel, by the occupying force against political dissent among occupied populace.
pwaai 9y ago
> I live in Israel and not once I've been shown some horrible video of Palestinians attacking locals. Well, if you bury your head in the sand on a hot summer afternoon and proceed to claim its night, it's hard to take further claims seriously. I will agree that there is extremists on both ends that just furthers their own political/economic interests and muddies the water. ...but my analysis of the conflict over there is that it is much deeper than politics or economics, spanning millenias of beef.
- prove_np 9y ago
  I encourage you to come over and see how things actually go by. People are getting killed by terrorists who happen to be 16 years old kid brain-washed by the same news you and I are having an argument over. My point was that we've never demonstrated the same approach to the so-called beef. We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to do it in the fields, with soldiers bullying and taking lands they don't own." For fuck sake, give me a break. For all I care, my neighbor could be Arab and we can be BFFs as long as the killing-spree stops. I'm not against Palesintians, nor any Arabs. I care for my family and friends being slaughtered in our fucking streets and we have nothing to do about it.
  - ceejayoz 9y ago
    > We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I suspect if Palestinians had F-16s and Apache gunships available they, too, would avoid street battles.
    - bsaul 9y ago
      If the military situation were reversed, there would be no jews on this land. That tells you a bit who really wants to exterminate the other in that conflict.
  - eecc 9y ago
    Then stop your government from taunting, harassing and humiliating Palestinians. I understand being prey of FUD so I can imagine how difficult it is -- what if we let them, they'll take over, they'll out-number us, push us back to the sea! -- but you should collectively stop voting cynical sociopaths that lead your country just to prepare for the next round of war and further cement their grip on their constituency.
saas_co_de 9y ago
The interest in this article does not necessarily flow from its rather negative slant on the Israeli government. What interests me are the consequences that follow from making a US corporation the global censor and arbiter, in the realm of communications, of other people's disputes. The original article had zero factual content about the accounts that were suspended and presented no evidence that they were not suspended for completely valid reasons so I have no reason to think that they should not have been suspended. Even with that being true, it is still interesting that people are both expecting Facebook to be a global censor, and then also criticizing them for the censorship decisions they make.
isr 9y ago
One could argue that turning a blind eye to the most basic of facts is itself, slander. > Palestinians attacking locals That attitude, in a nutshell, is a large part of the problem. The Palestinians ARE the locals. Once you accept the above, everything else starts to make sense. Ignore this most obvious of facts, and then you start asking nonsensical questions like "why are they so touchy?" ,"why do they hate us?", "why are they so angry?", and "why aren't they content with living in a large open camp?"

goatsi 9y ago

>For what it's worth, the hatred being published about Israel does not go the other way around. I, and many others, do respect and have no hate for Palestinians. The article does disagree with that view. >As Al Jazeera reported last year, “Inflammatory speech posted in the Hebrew language . . . has attracted much less attention from the Israeli authorities and Facebook. One study found that ‘122,000 users directly called for violence with words like ‘murder’, ‘kill’, or ‘burn.’ Arabs were the No 1 recipients of hateful comments. Yet there appears to be little effort by Facebook to censor any of that.” Have you noticed comments like this? Have you ever seen them deleted or Israeli accounts suspended for hateful language?

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LorenPechtel 9y ago
Remember who owns Al Jazeeera. Hint: A terrorist sponsor.
- lostlogin 9y ago
  A strict definition sees many governments tarred with this brush, with the US, Russia, UK being stand outs. Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting, and they have some good points. This line of arguing achieves nothing, but that’s the point isn’t it? AJ has some of the best reporting about, but attacking the messenger and not the message is far easier isn’t it?
  - ars 9y ago
    AJ threw a birthday part for a terrorist who murdered children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWVkSU3ic4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWVkSU3ic4 > but attacking the messenger They are not a messenger but are full party to praising those who would proudly kill children. I know the US has killed children in conflicts, but the US isn't proud of it, they don't celebrate it. > Others see the terrorists as freedom fighting No. This is false. No one sees terrorists as freedom fighting, except for those who support them. A terrorist is a terrorist. Period. Calling them freedom fighters is utterly repulsive, and whitewashing things like "killing a 4 year old girl by smashing her skull against the rocks with the butt of his rifle." Yes, that is the loathsome creature who AJ celebrated. Tell me how that is freedom fighting? I challenge you - tell me, exactly how that is freedom fighting. I await your answer.
    - lostlogin 9y ago
      “I await your answer”. Really? Yes, Palestinians think freedom is worth fighting for. That man didn’t help his cause. This is not related to the issue though is it? AJ cover issues in the region better than many news orgs.

int_19h 9y ago

The story isn't even about Israel and Palestinians per se. It's about how, when you institute censorship (whether public or private) supposedly for the sake of public good, in practice it tends to be used by groups in power to target groups who aren't - i.e. by majorities against minorities, or, as is the case in Israel, by the occupying force against political dissent among occupied populace.

pwaai 9y ago

> I live in Israel and not once I've been shown some horrible video of Palestinians attacking locals. Well, if you bury your head in the sand on a hot summer afternoon and proceed to claim its night, it's hard to take further claims seriously. I will agree that there is extremists on both ends that just furthers their own political/economic interests and muddies the water. ...but my analysis of the conflict over there is that it is much deeper than politics or economics, spanning millenias of beef.

prove_np 9y ago
I encourage you to come over and see how things actually go by. People are getting killed by terrorists who happen to be 16 years old kid brain-washed by the same news you and I are having an argument over. My point was that we've never demonstrated the same approach to the so-called beef. We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I'm sure some of you will hop and go say "Right, you prefer to do it in the fields, with soldiers bullying and taking lands they don't own." For fuck sake, give me a break. For all I care, my neighbor could be Arab and we can be BFFs as long as the killing-spree stops. I'm not against Palesintians, nor any Arabs. I care for my family and friends being slaughtered in our fucking streets and we have nothing to do about it.
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  > We do not go out to the streets, gun blazing, and start killing. I suspect if Palestinians had F-16s and Apache gunships available they, too, would avoid street battles.
  - bsaul 9y ago
    If the military situation were reversed, there would be no jews on this land. That tells you a bit who really wants to exterminate the other in that conflict.
- eecc 9y ago
  Then stop your government from taunting, harassing and humiliating Palestinians. I understand being prey of FUD so I can imagine how difficult it is -- what if we let them, they'll take over, they'll out-number us, push us back to the sea! -- but you should collectively stop voting cynical sociopaths that lead your country just to prepare for the next round of war and further cement their grip on their constituency.

saas_co_de 9y ago

The interest in this article does not necessarily flow from its rather negative slant on the Israeli government. What interests me are the consequences that follow from making a US corporation the global censor and arbiter, in the realm of communications, of other people's disputes. The original article had zero factual content about the accounts that were suspended and presented no evidence that they were not suspended for completely valid reasons so I have no reason to think that they should not have been suspended. Even with that being true, it is still interesting that people are both expecting Facebook to be a global censor, and then also criticizing them for the censorship decisions they make.

isr 9y ago

One could argue that turning a blind eye to the most basic of facts is itself, slander. > Palestinians attacking locals That attitude, in a nutshell, is a large part of the problem. The Palestinians ARE the locals. Once you accept the above, everything else starts to make sense. Ignore this most obvious of facts, and then you start asking nonsensical questions like "why are they so touchy?" ,"why do they hate us?", "why are they so angry?", and "why aren't they content with living in a large open camp?"