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and being woken in the middle of the night, wearing boxers or pajamas with hands in the air, better pray that they don't happen to slip down causing you to inst

• millzlane 9y ago
  Funny, this happens often in my neighborhood where people wear pants too big for their waists with no belts.
  • dingbat 9y ago
    do you personally sleep while wearing form-fitting pants with a belt?
  • Pica_soO 9y ago
    Oh, yeah, thats definitely not racism right there, blaming hip hop fashion for a shooting percentage. Carry on.
    • deleted 9y ago
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    • millzlane 9y ago
      I was merely pointing out that people in my neighborhood like myself often have to reach down to pull up our pants. What race do you think I am?
  • hateduser2 9y ago
    Are you suggesting my fashion should be influenced by the chance that the police my murder me over it?
    • millzlane 9y ago
      Not at all. I live in the same neighborhood and often where pants with no belt.
• danso 9y ago
  This seems to me to be what happened in the Daniel Shaver case, who was drunk and in his pajamas when police (responding to a report of a brandished gun being spotted in his motel room window) confronted him. He was facedown and yelled at for ~4 minutes before being shot when officers mistook him pulling up his waistband for reaching for a weapon: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/police-shooting-video-arizona.html https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/police-shooting-vid... The officer who shot him was exonerated but IMO, the officer belligerently shouting confusing instructions at him should have faced scrutiny. Instead, he got to retire with a full pension while testifying on behalf of the officer who did pull the trigger.
  • dingbat 9y ago
    if i recall correctly Shaver was not wearing pjs, he was wearing shorts. but yes, he appeared to pull up his shorts which were being dragged down because he was being forced to crawl on his hands and knees. i would bet that almost everyone being in such a position, or standing at their front door in front of their neighbors, who felt their bottom falling down, would instinctively reach down without thinking. some points to note about that incident - a) he had the pellet gun as part of his job as an exterminator, even if he was careless in demonstrating how he used it to shoot birds for pest control b) think about how easily the officers could have gone to the wrong hotel room; you, me or anyone random could've been in the room next door to Shaver and been treated the same (and probably wouldve reacted the same), even if we'd just poked out head outside our room to see what the heck was going on
    • misnome 9y ago
      How was he “careless” in any way? Was it not completely legal for him to own it, and completely legal for him to show it to other people, especially in the privacy of a hotel room? I thought the right to do this was for many the single most important principle of your country, shouldn’t the police have responded to reports of somebody with a gun with “Well this is the USA, nothing to see here?”
      • dingbat 9y ago
• tzahola 9y ago
  Sleep naked
  • katastic 9y ago
    If I'm gonna die by cop, they're at least gonna get a full body cam of my wang. A martyr's death.
    • sctb 9y ago
      Since we just told you we'd ban the account if you kept breaking the guidelines with unsubstantive comments, we've banned the account. We're happy to unban accounts if you email us at hn@ycombinator.com and we believe you'll start posting civilly and substantively. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      • motherdearest 9y ago
        You banned the guy over the wang comment? How is that any less constructive than the other 50 posts here?
        • katastic 9y ago
          I know. They really hate my sourced comments here. This is just an excuse. I have almost 500 upvotes on my account even though I mostly say things people don't want to hear (but with sources)--since I value the truth over politics. So it's not post quality, it's post content, that they find threatening. Check my post history. You'll find a variety of well-written, concise, logical and sourced comments. It's okay though. If they're willing to kick me out, they're losing more value than I am. It really speaks more about them, than it does me, that they'd get their panties in a bunch over simple, sourced facts in a comment. But anyone who lives in SF, knows that people in SF don't like hearing data that violate their dogma. It's only about "science" until that science says something they don't like. I'll put my faith in science, over dogma, any day. The truth doesn't change depending on whether people want to hear it. Have a good new year!
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• noncoml 9y ago
  The video leaked online. He is not even trying to reach for his pajamas or something. A cop asks him to move towards them and the next second you hear the shot. It's crazy.
  • always_good 9y ago
    He definitely reached for his shorts. It's a reflex that comes from a whole lifetime of being able to pull up your pants without risk of being shot. But that's all irrelevant. If the cops were only interested in securing him, they would've made him lie down like a starfish and have someone approach him instead of letting Jigsaw make him play Twister.
    • astronautjones 9y ago
      that video is horrific. the cop directing him is just dripping with sadism
      • dingbat 9y ago
        i hope the undeniable pleasure that cop took in playing this lethal game of Simon Says was worth it.
• anonymous231e1 9y ago
  Anonymous for obvious reasons... This happened to me on Wednesday about 5:00am. My wife and I had gotten into a terrible fight. She suffers from terrible alcoholism. This week of Christmas has been absolutely horrible as demons resurface. She awoke me from my sleep about 4am, drunk and outraged because I asked if she was wearing a robe in bed. Things spiraled very quickly out of control, my wife was out of control, and so was I. We both said terrible things and made unwanted body contact. The fight made its way to the driveway and a neighbor called in the disturbance. About 30 minutes later I was awoken by the doorbell. I knew who it was. I threw on my PJ pants and a hoodie. Fifteen minutes later I was in handcuffs heading to the county jail. I could have easily been in a very very bad situation if I hadn't followed orders to the letter. My wife and I are in therapy and she will be entering detox this next week. I hope this event turns into the wake up call that helps her beat this disease with my help all along the way. Peace.
  • anonoholic 9y ago
    So sorry to hear your story. As an alcoholic though (currently 1.5 bottles of wine down, and wishing I had another to hand), I find it hard to reconcile your situation. Your wife was drunk, you were not, but both lost control? Not judging, just asking. The reason I ask is that only situation in which my alcohol abuse has triggered any kind of verbal exchange is where (unaware of my situation) my partner has been snappy about something, and due to lack of sleep (staying up late, secretly drinking), I've responded less diplomatically than I would have liked. Never abusive, never physical by either party, and only a small number of times. Under no circumstance has either of us become physical. That's a totally different problem, and I'd encourage you to seek help for your wife (If I'm understanding correctly that she was the one that became aggressive, or both of you otherwise) It's probably also the time to consider what's best for you both in the long term. Unrelated to that, but apropos your comment and the OP, I had a cop pull a gun on me when I was 19. I naively, but quite literally laughed it off, as I was doing my job and had no idea the risk I was in from his overreaction. I was in college, but working a night security job. I had to check the premises set the internal alarm, then check the outside doors. Unfortunately a (really stupid) design flaw in the alarm system resulted in the occasional false silent alarm. On this occasion, as I was checking the outside doors, a cruiser rolled up, the cop saying they'd received an alarm call. I identified myself, invited him in (first mistake), then said I'd switch off the alarm (second mistake - why I don't know - it was a silent alarm!) Switching off the alarm with a key switch required reaching around a door in to a closet where the alarm system was. I turned around to discover the now less-than-friendly looking cop pointing his gun at me. I laughed instinctively, as to my innocent mind it seemed absurd. Thankfully, that seemed to drop his guard. He was 6 feet away, and my hands were now clearly empty. I wasn't asked to follow Simon-says "crawl towards me with your left foot over your right, and your hands straight in the in the air, or we will shoot you type instructions, and shortly after, the dispatcher ID'd me as being a registered person for the property. Now that I think about it, I had several negative experiences with the cops in a 2 year period. (Broke into my residence in the middle of the night for no reason - I was more embarrassed that it was untidy!; gatecrashed a party because they "didn't like the music" (no neighbours, no disturbance), probably looking for underage alcohol; stopped for speeding on a bicycle!!!
• gozur88 9y ago
  Yep. If cops break into your house and point guns at you, you need to suppress your natural tendency toward modesty. Add it to the lawsuit, later.
• vidarh 9y ago
  In general so many things can be misunderstood. E.g. when Jean Charles de Menezes was shot by anti-terror police in London who mistook him for a potential suicide bomber, one of the things brought up was how he got up from his seat in a rapid motion by lifting his arms in front of him to shift his point of gravity. It stands out to me because they thought it was weird, but to me it's just the easiest way to get up when you're on a crowded train and there's no space to your sides to support you on. But to a stressed out, scared armed response team even that made him seem scarier. To this date, almost ten years later, I think of that case ever time I get up from a seat that way. Not that I expect to be mistaken for a terrorist, but because it underlines just how bad people are at interpreting body language, and how dangerous that can be when combined with stressed out armed police.
  • JupiterMoon 9y ago
    The initial claims made about Jean Charles de Menezes included that he ran, he jumped the barrier, he did not buy a ticket, he was wearing a thick jacket. In reality he walked, bought a ticket, used the barrier normally and was wearing a t-shirt. This is visible on the cctv footage.
    • vidarh 9y ago
      Yes, but the part I'm specifically talking about was how he got up from the seat on the tube when confronted in a way the officer in question thought was aggressive, but that in reality is something you often see on the tube. There's no doubt there was lots of bullshit coming from the police over it too, but that he stood up was one of the few claims the jury in the inquest agree was proven, an it stands out because the testimony relating to it as far as I remember made the officer seem genuinely to not realize why someone might get up that way, which is quite unlike their other excuses in that it exposes ignorance compared to the other attempts to describe things in a way that could have actually contributed to giving them an excuse.
    • JupiterMoon 9y ago
      Correction. No useful cctv footage was apparently available and he was wearing a denim jacket.