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Facebook is deleting accounts that violate its ToS, governments (not just the US and Israeli ones) report accounts that constitute a violation of their laws all

by inglor 9y ago

Facebook is deleting accounts that violate its ToS, governments (not just the US and Israeli ones) report accounts that constitute a violation of their laws all the time and Facebook removes those. Common examples are pages promoting illegal activities in a country - like drug dealing, weapons trade etc.

lostlogin 9y ago
Or promoting Palestinian civil rights. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/facebook-targeting-palestinian-accounts-161019063930119.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/facebook-targeting-pal...
- danjoc 9y ago
  It's Facebook's business. They can run it any way they want. You want to promote Palestinian civil rights? Start your own Facebook.
  - Barrin92 9y ago
    yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. What a facetious and despicable comment. As the article points out that Facebook is one of the most important news sources for Palestinians. This is effectively shutting them out of the modern communication system and a civil rights catastrophy.
    - danjoc 9y ago
      >yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. Freedom of the Press, to those who own the presses. It's always been that way. >What a facetious and despicable comment. If I was responding to a comment about promoting alt-right ideology, it would be +1000 internets for sure. Same response, Facebook's business. You want to promote alt-right, start your own.
      - Barrin92 9y ago
        This is simply not true. First off you're applying American sets of values to the entire world, a lot of countries take the access to information just as serious as the rights of distribution, and even within the US there has never been a situation in history where a single publisher controlled 96% of the news access to large parts of the population. This kind of monopolisation of information, in the US largely spread up between Facebook and Google, is entirely new, and it was once commonly accepted that situations like this have no place in a market economy or a civil society. Now apparently it seems legitimate that this monopoly position is used to leverage power against marginalised populations in foreign countries under the guise of 'they have the right to do whatever they want'. This is intellectually lazy and morally bankrupt.
    - doggydogs94 9y ago
      In that case, you can help them secure the capital.
      - Barrin92 9y ago
        The problem isn't just capital in the sense of fiat currency, the problem is that they have no state and no rule of law, no incorporation into the global economy either formally or factually. There is no real way to even operate a global or local industry without the basic requirements, they are excluded from the rest of the world. There isn't a single serious facebook competitor in the entire United States. Please don't pretend that this is somehow a serious suggestion for a region like Palestine. They are entirely dependent on the digital and analog infrastructure surrounding them due to the circumstances they find themselves in.
        wolco 9y ago
        There are smaller players but the problem is most people have lost interest because of facebook so people are disconnecting rather than switching. Other countries like Russia has there own successful facebook.
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      - musage 9y ago
        Or anything else, except speaking up, as demonstrated here. I mean, someone made a comment implying FB only removes really nasty, criminal things, but they don't get told that "it's Facebook's business" (even though it would apply just as much, but never is applied, to supportive comments), instead the response that adds some grounding in reality does. This is a discussion site, and the correct response to GP is to respond to GP, not do something else elsewhere.
    - gaius 9y ago
      This was posted earlier https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/world/asia/myanmar-government-facebook-rohingya.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/world/asia/myanmar-govern... Facebook is chaotic neutral at best...
    - shard972 9y ago
      Doesn't help either that zuckerberg is a jew.
      - lostlogin 9y ago
        Doesn’t hinder either. It’s individuals doing harm, not Judaism.
        Udik 9y ago
        It's not individuals doing harm, it's the Jewish state, as Israel defines itself. Of course from being Jewish doesn't follow a support for Israel (and there are many harsh critics of Israel who are indeed Jewish)- however let's not pretend there is no connection at all, as that is obviously not true. If Zuckerberg were of Arab Palestinian descent it wouldn't be hard to imagine a greater sympathy for the Palestinian cause.
  - int_19h 9y ago
    They can run it any way they want, yes. And we can expose their motives for doing it one way and not the other, and treat them accordingly.
  - tzahola 9y ago
    >They can ruin it any way they want. Fixed that for you
  - bluetwo 9y ago
    On one hand your post looks like a classic example of people down-voting a comment they disagree with, rather than making a counter-argument. I hate when this happens. On the other hand, you could learn from the example and create your own Hacker News...
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by inglor 9y ago

lostlogin 9y ago

Or promoting Palestinian civil rights. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/facebook-targeting-palestinian-accounts-161019063930119.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/facebook-targeting-pal...

danjoc 9y ago
It's Facebook's business. They can run it any way they want. You want to promote Palestinian civil rights? Start your own Facebook.
- Barrin92 9y ago
  yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. What a facetious and despicable comment. As the article points out that Facebook is one of the most important news sources for Palestinians. This is effectively shutting them out of the modern communication system and a civil rights catastrophy.
  - danjoc 9y ago
    >yes, the average Palestinian without any capital or internet access will just go into his garage and start a new facebook. Freedom of the Press, to those who own the presses. It's always been that way. >What a facetious and despicable comment. If I was responding to a comment about promoting alt-right ideology, it would be +1000 internets for sure. Same response, Facebook's business. You want to promote alt-right, start your own.
    - Barrin92 9y ago
      This is simply not true. First off you're applying American sets of values to the entire world, a lot of countries take the access to information just as serious as the rights of distribution, and even within the US there has never been a situation in history where a single publisher controlled 96% of the news access to large parts of the population. This kind of monopolisation of information, in the US largely spread up between Facebook and Google, is entirely new, and it was once commonly accepted that situations like this have no place in a market economy or a civil society. Now apparently it seems legitimate that this monopoly position is used to leverage power against marginalised populations in foreign countries under the guise of 'they have the right to do whatever they want'. This is intellectually lazy and morally bankrupt.
  - doggydogs94 9y ago
    In that case, you can help them secure the capital.
    - Barrin92 9y ago
      The problem isn't just capital in the sense of fiat currency, the problem is that they have no state and no rule of law, no incorporation into the global economy either formally or factually. There is no real way to even operate a global or local industry without the basic requirements, they are excluded from the rest of the world. There isn't a single serious facebook competitor in the entire United States. Please don't pretend that this is somehow a serious suggestion for a region like Palestine. They are entirely dependent on the digital and analog infrastructure surrounding them due to the circumstances they find themselves in.
      - wolco 9y ago
        There are smaller players but the problem is most people have lost interest because of facebook so people are disconnecting rather than switching. Other countries like Russia has there own successful facebook.
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    - musage 9y ago
      Or anything else, except speaking up, as demonstrated here. I mean, someone made a comment implying FB only removes really nasty, criminal things, but they don't get told that "it's Facebook's business" (even though it would apply just as much, but never is applied, to supportive comments), instead the response that adds some grounding in reality does. This is a discussion site, and the correct response to GP is to respond to GP, not do something else elsewhere.
  - gaius 9y ago
    This was posted earlier https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/world/asia/myanmar-government-facebook-rohingya.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/world/asia/myanmar-govern... Facebook is chaotic neutral at best...
  - shard972 9y ago
    Doesn't help either that zuckerberg is a jew.
    - lostlogin 9y ago
      Doesn’t hinder either. It’s individuals doing harm, not Judaism.
      - Udik 9y ago
        It's not individuals doing harm, it's the Jewish state, as Israel defines itself. Of course from being Jewish doesn't follow a support for Israel (and there are many harsh critics of Israel who are indeed Jewish)- however let's not pretend there is no connection at all, as that is obviously not true. If Zuckerberg were of Arab Palestinian descent it wouldn't be hard to imagine a greater sympathy for the Palestinian cause.
- int_19h 9y ago
  They can run it any way they want, yes. And we can expose their motives for doing it one way and not the other, and treat them accordingly.
- tzahola 9y ago
  >They can ruin it any way they want. Fixed that for you
- bluetwo 9y ago
  On one hand your post looks like a classic example of people down-voting a comment they disagree with, rather than making a counter-argument. I hate when this happens. On the other hand, you could learn from the example and create your own Hacker News...
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