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>" I'm honestly not sure what I can do to prevent that." Watching the video of the shooting in the hotel hallway a few days ago, I think that the answer is jus

>" I'm honestly not sure what I can do to prevent that." Watching the video of the shooting in the hotel hallway a few days ago, I think that the answer is just go to the floor with your hands visible and don't move, never mind what they say. I think there is a training problem. For instance, in that video, they control the situation using fear, that it's, I think, the correct thing to do. But then, when they guy is trying to comply with everything, almost crying and obviously confused, instead of trying to calm him, they keep scaring him. When they shoot, they shoot five times, five times in a hotel hallway. It's like they are trained for war or even video-games instead of police action.

masklinn 9y ago
> Watching the video of the shooting in the hotel hallway a few days ago, I think that the answer is just go to the floor with your hands visible and don't move, never mind what they say. And get shot anyway for not obeying orders.
burntwater 9y ago
That video, among all that I've had the misfortune of viewing, is the one that has most resonated - and scared - me, because it's one I can so easily see myself being in. White. Drunk. In a hotel. Throughly confused and scared. That's me. Yes, I can get on the floor and not move. But I have absolutely no faith that "do nothing" won't also get me killed for, as the other person mentioned, disobeying orders.
stordoff 9y ago
> But then, when they guy is trying to comply with everything, almost crying and obviously confused, instead of trying to calm him, they keep scaring him. This is partially why one of the emphases of British policing is de-escalation (even backing away if you have to), which I will grant is _far_ easier when neither side is likely to have firearms (though the same principles are used by firearms officers). Backing your suspect into a corner, or unduly pressuring them, helps neither side.
gouggoug 9y ago
> It's like they are trained for [...] video-games instead of police action. There's an Ad for the US Army which is basically the Call Of Duty video game advertising the US Army...

masklinn 9y ago

> Watching the video of the shooting in the hotel hallway a few days ago, I think that the answer is just go to the floor with your hands visible and don't move, never mind what they say. And get shot anyway for not obeying orders.

burntwater 9y ago

That video, among all that I've had the misfortune of viewing, is the one that has most resonated - and scared - me, because it's one I can so easily see myself being in. White. Drunk. In a hotel. Throughly confused and scared. That's me. Yes, I can get on the floor and not move. But I have absolutely no faith that "do nothing" won't also get me killed for, as the other person mentioned, disobeying orders.

stordoff 9y ago

> But then, when they guy is trying to comply with everything, almost crying and obviously confused, instead of trying to calm him, they keep scaring him. This is partially why one of the emphases of British policing is de-escalation (even backing away if you have to), which I will grant is _far_ easier when neither side is likely to have firearms (though the same principles are used by firearms officers). Backing your suspect into a corner, or unduly pressuring them, helps neither side.

gouggoug 9y ago

> It's like they are trained for [...] video-games instead of police action. There's an Ad for the US Army which is basically the Call Of Duty video game advertising the US Army...