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3) Anyone implying that the police need to change is labeled anti police by a large portion of the population because this has become a political issue in the U

3) Anyone implying that the police need to change is labeled anti police by a large portion of the population because this has become a political issue in the US and given the current political climate of identity politics there is really no reasoning with those people.

contravariant 9y ago
>given the current political climate of identity politics there is really no reasoning with those people. Can I just point out the irony of saying there's no reasoning with 'those people' because of identity politics.
- nitrogen 9y ago
  It's the symmetric property of identity inequality. The fundamentally incompatible axioms of some worldviews make communication nearly impossible in either direction, within a timeframe and level of effort most people are willing to expend.
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  Actually no, because 'those people' are the set of 'people who have chosen to label others as anti police' and a singular opinion isn't the same as a collective identity. Admittedly people who hold that opinion might adhere to a 'conservative identity' but the gp was specifically describing people who engaged in categorical dismissal of of political proposal, so it's legitimate to say they can't be reasoned with because categorical dismissals are an example of a genetic fallacy.
  - akvadrako 9y ago
    The wording implies you can't reason with "those people", meaning the anti-anti-police ones. But it kinda misses the mark, because you can't reason with "anybody" active in the identity-politics environment that pervades the US.
- madeofpalk 9y ago
  Usually irony like this leads to a rediculous contradiction, but here it somehow all makes sense.
- davidcbc 9y ago
  There is no reasoning with people about specific issues when they are tied up in identity politics. That is true whether they are a liberal or a conservative.
  - contravariant 9y ago
    No argument there. However it gets a bit iffy when you accuse a certain group of people of identity politics.

contravariant 9y ago

>given the current political climate of identity politics there is really no reasoning with those people. Can I just point out the irony of saying there's no reasoning with 'those people' because of identity politics.

nitrogen 9y ago
It's the symmetric property of identity inequality. The fundamentally incompatible axioms of some worldviews make communication nearly impossible in either direction, within a timeframe and level of effort most people are willing to expend.
anigbrowl 9y ago
Actually no, because 'those people' are the set of 'people who have chosen to label others as anti police' and a singular opinion isn't the same as a collective identity. Admittedly people who hold that opinion might adhere to a 'conservative identity' but the gp was specifically describing people who engaged in categorical dismissal of of political proposal, so it's legitimate to say they can't be reasoned with because categorical dismissals are an example of a genetic fallacy.
- akvadrako 9y ago
  The wording implies you can't reason with "those people", meaning the anti-anti-police ones. But it kinda misses the mark, because you can't reason with "anybody" active in the identity-politics environment that pervades the US.
madeofpalk 9y ago
Usually irony like this leads to a rediculous contradiction, but here it somehow all makes sense.
davidcbc 9y ago
There is no reasoning with people about specific issues when they are tied up in identity politics. That is true whether they are a liberal or a conservative.
- contravariant 9y ago
  No argument there. However it gets a bit iffy when you accuse a certain group of people of identity politics.