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> ACH(EFTS in EU) ... is primarily a digital check. Well not exactly. I have set up ACH transfer between my dad and my account, but a couple of banks didn't l

> ACH(EFTS in EU) ... is primarily a digital check. Well not exactly. I have set up ACH transfer between my dad and my account, but a couple of banks didn't let me. They are like both account holder should be the same. Bank told me that the only option I have is to wire the money. On the other hand, I pay my employees through ACH (ADP take cares of it).

djsumdog 9y ago
Most other countries allow direct person-to-person transfers with just a name and account number. In Australia you can put in someone's details and payment for something and it will be there the next morning, with no fees, directly through the government interbank system. In the US if you want a fee-free transfer, you need to use your bank's app and take a photo of someone's check. And no, Paypal/Vinmo are not good alternatives. They're private transfer systems that are not federally mandated and regulated bank-to-bank transfers. I wrote a full post about this: http://penguindreams.org/blog/the-american-banking-system-is-still-in-the-1990s/ http://penguindreams.org/blog/the-american-banking-system-is...
- Larrikin 9y ago
  This is a little outdated. Most banks finally got Zelle setup this year. It hasn't fully caught on but you can get free transfers between nearly all big banks and a lot of small banks simply by setting it up and knowing the persons email or phone number. I've been trying to get my friends to move off Venmo, but the option to do it is usually buried inside of the banking apps so it isn't as convenient.
  - djsumdog 9y ago
    It's still not quite the same. In Germany, Australia and NZ, you can send money to anyone at any bank, for free, and you don't need to use their phone number or e-mail address. It's mandated by the government. It'd be more like the Federal Reserve enforcing free customer-to-customer ACH for everyone. There are some banks that do offer free person-to-person ACH (I believe 5/3 is one of them). Zelle is basically the banks getting together and going around that critical lack of infrastructure. It does look like they have a lot of major and minor banks. Mine is still missing from the list though, and I suspect it will be years until everyone is supported or banks will feel they need to support it to enter the market. So no, the US is still way behind.
wiredfool 9y ago
The same name thing is a Bank level restriction, not an ACH network level one.

djsumdog 9y ago

Most other countries allow direct person-to-person transfers with just a name and account number. In Australia you can put in someone's details and payment for something and it will be there the next morning, with no fees, directly through the government interbank system. In the US if you want a fee-free transfer, you need to use your bank's app and take a photo of someone's check. And no, Paypal/Vinmo are not good alternatives. They're private transfer systems that are not federally mandated and regulated bank-to-bank transfers. I wrote a full post about this: http://penguindreams.org/blog/the-american-banking-system-is-still-in-the-1990s/ http://penguindreams.org/blog/the-american-banking-system-is...

Larrikin 9y ago
This is a little outdated. Most banks finally got Zelle setup this year. It hasn't fully caught on but you can get free transfers between nearly all big banks and a lot of small banks simply by setting it up and knowing the persons email or phone number. I've been trying to get my friends to move off Venmo, but the option to do it is usually buried inside of the banking apps so it isn't as convenient.
- djsumdog 9y ago
  It's still not quite the same. In Germany, Australia and NZ, you can send money to anyone at any bank, for free, and you don't need to use their phone number or e-mail address. It's mandated by the government. It'd be more like the Federal Reserve enforcing free customer-to-customer ACH for everyone. There are some banks that do offer free person-to-person ACH (I believe 5/3 is one of them). Zelle is basically the banks getting together and going around that critical lack of infrastructure. It does look like they have a lot of major and minor banks. Mine is still missing from the list though, and I suspect it will be years until everyone is supported or banks will feel they need to support it to enter the market. So no, the US is still way behind.

wiredfool 9y ago

The same name thing is a Bank level restriction, not an ACH network level one.