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>>Who foots the cost for an indefinite time until technology becomes available to rectify the situation? Do you have any idea what the costs are, and how they

>>Who foots the cost for an indefinite time until technology becomes available to rectify the situation? Do you have any idea what the costs are, and how they compare to the rent-cost of the land occupied by cemeteries? I'm assuming these frozen heads could be stored with less pomp and decorum than dead bodies are today, so could be housed in multistory buildings. >>Also, what about people that don't want to come back? Couldn't people decide beforehand whether their brains are cryogenically preserved in the event of clinical death? >>If not, this seems like a personal decision for each person, and a complaint such as yours seems to be missing the forest for the trees. I don't think the parent comment is suggesting making this mandatory or done without explicit consent. Only that we would have benefited from having a cultural shift which makes this the primary response to death.

kbenson 9y ago
> Do you have any idea what the costs are, and how they compare to the rent-cost of the land occupied by cemeteries? How about the one time fee for cremation? > I don't think the parent comment is suggesting making this mandatory or done without explicit consent. I admit that I was interpreting it along those lines originally. I'm not sure if that was my mistake based on local context or if it was edited afterwards to clarify their intended point. I do still believe it's a bit naive to think we can assume the ability to rectify the problem of a frozen brain in a jar within the semi-near future, or even that we are preserving them correctly, but I'm all for giving people the choice as long as we ruthlessly weed out those who present their services as scientifically sound when they aren't (if they present it as mumbo jumbo, then whatever).
tim333 9y ago
>Do you have any idea what the costs are I've been pondering that and I don't think it would be much if you did a cheap and cheerful version. The cryonics institute charge about $30k/person for indefinite storage for whole body and only do about 4 a year. Chop the heads off and put them in a large refrigerated building and you could probably get it to a fraction of that. I figure you could get about 5 million in a WalMart sized building. In the US lifetime healthcare costs were $316k in 2004. So now maybe 400k. Why spend 400k to die miserably when you could maybe spend 396k on that and 4k putting your head in the freezer and maybe beating the whole death thing for millions of years? Instead of the whole sad funeral thing it could be a more upbeat see you in the 22nd century party. I'm assuming how this would play out is that post singularity there would be lots of resources for brain scanning and uploading and we'd probably have a largely virtual reality existence but with the ability to use robot bodies when wanted. But who knows...

kbenson 9y ago

> Do you have any idea what the costs are, and how they compare to the rent-cost of the land occupied by cemeteries? How about the one time fee for cremation? > I don't think the parent comment is suggesting making this mandatory or done without explicit consent. I admit that I was interpreting it along those lines originally. I'm not sure if that was my mistake based on local context or if it was edited afterwards to clarify their intended point. I do still believe it's a bit naive to think we can assume the ability to rectify the problem of a frozen brain in a jar within the semi-near future, or even that we are preserving them correctly, but I'm all for giving people the choice as long as we ruthlessly weed out those who present their services as scientifically sound when they aren't (if they present it as mumbo jumbo, then whatever).

tim333 9y ago

>Do you have any idea what the costs are I've been pondering that and I don't think it would be much if you did a cheap and cheerful version. The cryonics institute charge about $30k/person for indefinite storage for whole body and only do about 4 a year. Chop the heads off and put them in a large refrigerated building and you could probably get it to a fraction of that. I figure you could get about 5 million in a WalMart sized building. In the US lifetime healthcare costs were $316k in 2004. So now maybe 400k. Why spend 400k to die miserably when you could maybe spend 396k on that and 4k putting your head in the freezer and maybe beating the whole death thing for millions of years? Instead of the whole sad funeral thing it could be a more upbeat see you in the 22nd century party. I'm assuming how this would play out is that post singularity there would be lots of resources for brain scanning and uploading and we'd probably have a largely virtual reality existence but with the ability to use robot bodies when wanted. But who knows...