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The top 3 safest states are all constitutional carry states. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/the-10-safest-states-in-america?slide=9 https:/

The top 3 safest states are all constitutional carry states. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/the-10-safest-states-in-america?slide=9 https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/the-10-sa...

overtpb949 9y ago
From what I can tell, looking at Wikipedia: Five states with lowest rates of gun death: Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_Uni...) States with constitutional carry: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry#U.S._jurisdictions_that_have_constitutional_carry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry#U.S._juri...)
- foxhound6 9y ago
  And more cars = more car accidents and more multi-story homes = more people falling down the stairs. As a society, we're concerned with overall safety and reducing overall violence and crime metrics.
  - notheguyouthink 9y ago
    While an interesting metric, a sample size of 3 (states) seems insanely low to draw cause between guns carry == safety. There has to be more meaningful ways to glean that data, no? May as well tie it into most popular music if we're using sample sizes that small.
    - foxhound6 9y ago
      I wasn't making the argument that more people carrying == safety. I was countering the argument that more people carrying inherently means less safety.
      - notheguyouthink 9y ago
        Fair enough, apologies for my confusion :)
      - c22 9y ago
        But the argument you responded to was that more guns were related to more gun deaths. You might as well have countered any tangential "argument".
    - wavegeek 9y ago
      https://i.imgur.com/aO6oWe7.png https://i.imgur.com/aO6oWe7.png
- rbcgerard 9y ago
  Except if you use the metric of murder or violent crime instead of gun deaths you find that there its much more complicated Vermont = lots of guns and safe Louisiana = lots of guns and unsafe Hawaii = not so many guns and safe Illinois = not so many guns and unsafe...

overtpb949 9y ago

From what I can tell, looking at Wikipedia: Five states with lowest rates of gun death: Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_Uni...) States with constitutional carry: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry#U.S._jurisdictions_that_have_constitutional_carry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry#U.S._juri...)

foxhound6 9y ago
And more cars = more car accidents and more multi-story homes = more people falling down the stairs. As a society, we're concerned with overall safety and reducing overall violence and crime metrics.
- notheguyouthink 9y ago
  While an interesting metric, a sample size of 3 (states) seems insanely low to draw cause between guns carry == safety. There has to be more meaningful ways to glean that data, no? May as well tie it into most popular music if we're using sample sizes that small.
  - foxhound6 9y ago
    I wasn't making the argument that more people carrying == safety. I was countering the argument that more people carrying inherently means less safety.
    - notheguyouthink 9y ago
      Fair enough, apologies for my confusion :)
    - c22 9y ago
      But the argument you responded to was that more guns were related to more gun deaths. You might as well have countered any tangential "argument".
  - wavegeek 9y ago
    https://i.imgur.com/aO6oWe7.png https://i.imgur.com/aO6oWe7.png
rbcgerard 9y ago
Except if you use the metric of murder or violent crime instead of gun deaths you find that there its much more complicated Vermont = lots of guns and safe Louisiana = lots of guns and unsafe Hawaii = not so many guns and safe Illinois = not so many guns and unsafe...