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Everything I've read is possible without "cheating"... not sure what you meant with that, do you mean server plugins? You could still make the exchanges interac

by narag 9y ago

Everything I've read is possible without "cheating"... not sure what you meant with that, do you mean server plugins? You could still make the exchanges interacting with other players, the shops that use special chests (that's a server plugin) are a convenient shortcut. The economy becomes complex because you can build automatic farms for many valuable items: experience points, food... that would beat manual production hands down. The piece is a little old. You can now farm wool mostly unattended and food totally hands free. I can't see any mention to villagers trade, not sure if that's because some server rule or because it was impossible with that versions. Villagers and wool are an infinite source of most valuable items including some diamond tools. Also you can farm gold and experience points with Snocrash's pigmen farm at an incredible pace.

Kiro 9y ago
What I mean is that if this complex logic lived on the client then everyone would cheat. Therefore the logic must live on server, contrary to what I believed. In other words: I thought Minecraft multiplayer was something you did with friends where the possibility to cheat doesn't matter, not like an MMO where cheating would destroy the game.
- kuschku 9y ago
  > In other words: I thought Minecraft multiplayer was something you did with friends where the possibility to cheat doesn't matter, not like an MMO where cheating would destroy the game. Some Minecraft multiplayer servers run profits > 100k USD per month, with tenthousands of players. There has been a massive investment into building alternative server backends, sharding the world across multiple servers, implementing complex anti-cheat systems, and more.
- narag 9y ago
  Cheating hasn't destroyed the game, it's just annoying. Servers (some of them very profitable) use anti-cheat server plugins (that are sometimes more problematic that cheaters) and shrug it off. Cheating is done using client-side plugins. The problem is that Minecraft doesn't mistrust clients enough. BTW "hacker" has become a dirty word for Minecraft multiplayer gamers :(

by narag 9y ago

Kiro 9y ago

What I mean is that if this complex logic lived on the client then everyone would cheat. Therefore the logic must live on server, contrary to what I believed. In other words: I thought Minecraft multiplayer was something you did with friends where the possibility to cheat doesn't matter, not like an MMO where cheating would destroy the game.

kuschku 9y ago
> In other words: I thought Minecraft multiplayer was something you did with friends where the possibility to cheat doesn't matter, not like an MMO where cheating would destroy the game. Some Minecraft multiplayer servers run profits > 100k USD per month, with tenthousands of players. There has been a massive investment into building alternative server backends, sharding the world across multiple servers, implementing complex anti-cheat systems, and more.
narag 9y ago
Cheating hasn't destroyed the game, it's just annoying. Servers (some of them very profitable) use anti-cheat server plugins (that are sometimes more problematic that cheaters) and shrug it off. Cheating is done using client-side plugins. The problem is that Minecraft doesn't mistrust clients enough. BTW "hacker" has become a dirty word for Minecraft multiplayer gamers :(