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I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant. The main 'problem' people have is that there are poor people living there in S

I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant. The main 'problem' people have is that there are poor people living there in SROs, and a good number of homeless people loitering all the time. But they mostly keep to themselves. Some folks certainly have substance abuse or mental health problems and will be talking to themselves, and if you walk through you might get shouted at, and sometimes there is a shouting match out in public, and statistically there is some amount of crime between residents, but it's generally not a physical threat to people walking through. It is by no means a 'no-go area'.

fragsworth 9y ago
> I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant. Are you joking? Or just insane? I'm a 160 lbs male and would not walk through the tenderloin at night. It's really fucking scary. Almost everyone there is homeless and on drugs. The bad kind of drugs. I would go so far as to say that someone carrying an infant through that area might be endangering the child.
- jacobolus 9y ago
  People living in a snooty wealthy bubble get 'really fucking scared' pretty easily. It's not like drug addicts sitting on the sidewalk go out of their way to attack strangers walking by in the middle of a busy public street. I'm not recommending you find a big angry looking person and insult his mother. There are lots of people with kids who live in the Tenderloin and presumably pass through their own neighborhood at all hours. Walking around near poor homeless people now counts as 'child endangerment' I guess...
- losteric 9y ago
  Kid or no kid, the Tenderloin is fine as long as you "fit in"... but if it looks like you can be scared out of some cash, you will get the predatory stare.
  - notyourday 9y ago
    My wife got attacked in San Francisco in Tenderloin around 11am, a few blocks away from Clift Hotel on the second day of the trip. I guess her carrying a Starbucks cup made her a target. The fact that SF tolerates shit like this under the banner of "acceptance", "it is mental health" or whatever the hell it may be is mind blowing.
    - madengr 9y ago
      CCW would help, though that’s not available in CA.
      - notyourday 9y ago
        Between hot coffee into his face and her doing a little bit of a small joint manipulation, she was fine. Just shocked.
- mnm1 9y ago
  > I would go so far as to say that someone carrying an infant through that area might be endangering the child. This is nonsense. You must be extremely easily scared. For normal people, it's perfectly fine.
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- almost_usual 9y ago
  Not to be mean but 160 lbs isn't heavy at all. If you're pushing 200 lbs and go to the gym regularly you'll have a lot less people bothering you on the street. I still wouldn't recommend walking through the Tenderloin alone though.
sergiotapia 9y ago
Looks like a proper shithole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zzhVQRO9jY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zzhVQRO9jY I mean I've lived in Bolivia and never seen _anything_ as bad as this at it's worst, in Bolivia's worst areas.
- pfarnsworth 9y ago
  Do people in Bolivia shit on the side of the street or in other public areas? Because that's what they do in SF. So many homeless people shit on the BART escalator that it once took a station's escalations out of service. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Human-waste-shuts-down-BART-escalators-3735981.php http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Human-waste-shuts-down...
  - tzahola 9y ago
    Shitting onto the escalator? How exactly? Is it moving during the process?
    - smelendez 9y ago
      Yes, off hours it's one of the few places people can defecate in almost private (thanks to its side walls).
      - pfarnsworth 9y ago
        Privacy isn't necessary. Homeless people shit right on Market street in broad daylight.
- aceofspad3s 9y ago
  Haha, man... I live in Europe and I sometimes feel bad about how insecure some neighbourhoods here are in big cities, usually because of gypsies/slavs or Muslims, and I think "the US probably has it so much better...". Then I see shit like that... What the hell is going on there? Are the municipalities toothless? Here we usually give housing to those "individuals" in some isolated neighbourhood so they don't bother normal people, and it works really well. I mean there are bad hoods but you know which they are. I can't imagine feeling insecure while I walk around downtown or something like that. There are a few solutions, you don't really need to lock them up like animals, even if it is warranted, sometimes 8-) I imagine this is hard to do in a place like SF where housing is soooo expensive.

fragsworth 9y ago

> I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant. Are you joking? Or just insane? I'm a 160 lbs male and would not walk through the tenderloin at night. It's really fucking scary. Almost everyone there is homeless and on drugs. The bad kind of drugs. I would go so far as to say that someone carrying an infant through that area might be endangering the child.

jacobolus 9y ago
People living in a snooty wealthy bubble get 'really fucking scared' pretty easily. It's not like drug addicts sitting on the sidewalk go out of their way to attack strangers walking by in the middle of a busy public street. I'm not recommending you find a big angry looking person and insult his mother. There are lots of people with kids who live in the Tenderloin and presumably pass through their own neighborhood at all hours. Walking around near poor homeless people now counts as 'child endangerment' I guess...
losteric 9y ago
Kid or no kid, the Tenderloin is fine as long as you "fit in"... but if it looks like you can be scared out of some cash, you will get the predatory stare.
- notyourday 9y ago
  My wife got attacked in San Francisco in Tenderloin around 11am, a few blocks away from Clift Hotel on the second day of the trip. I guess her carrying a Starbucks cup made her a target. The fact that SF tolerates shit like this under the banner of "acceptance", "it is mental health" or whatever the hell it may be is mind blowing.
  - madengr 9y ago
    CCW would help, though that’s not available in CA.
    - notyourday 9y ago
      Between hot coffee into his face and her doing a little bit of a small joint manipulation, she was fine. Just shocked.
mnm1 9y ago
> I would go so far as to say that someone carrying an infant through that area might be endangering the child. This is nonsense. You must be extremely easily scared. For normal people, it's perfectly fine.
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almost_usual 9y ago
Not to be mean but 160 lbs isn't heavy at all. If you're pushing 200 lbs and go to the gym regularly you'll have a lot less people bothering you on the street. I still wouldn't recommend walking through the Tenderloin alone though.

sergiotapia 9y ago

Looks like a proper shithole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zzhVQRO9jY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zzhVQRO9jY I mean I've lived in Bolivia and never seen _anything_ as bad as this at it's worst, in Bolivia's worst areas.

pfarnsworth 9y ago
Do people in Bolivia shit on the side of the street or in other public areas? Because that's what they do in SF. So many homeless people shit on the BART escalator that it once took a station's escalations out of service. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Human-waste-shuts-down-BART-escalators-3735981.php http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Human-waste-shuts-down...
- tzahola 9y ago
  Shitting onto the escalator? How exactly? Is it moving during the process?
  - smelendez 9y ago
    Yes, off hours it's one of the few places people can defecate in almost private (thanks to its side walls).
    - pfarnsworth 9y ago
      Privacy isn't necessary. Homeless people shit right on Market street in broad daylight.
aceofspad3s 9y ago
Haha, man... I live in Europe and I sometimes feel bad about how insecure some neighbourhoods here are in big cities, usually because of gypsies/slavs or Muslims, and I think "the US probably has it so much better...". Then I see shit like that... What the hell is going on there? Are the municipalities toothless? Here we usually give housing to those "individuals" in some isolated neighbourhood so they don't bother normal people, and it works really well. I mean there are bad hoods but you know which they are. I can't imagine feeling insecure while I walk around downtown or something like that. There are a few solutions, you don't really need to lock them up like animals, even if it is warranted, sometimes 8-) I imagine this is hard to do in a place like SF where housing is soooo expensive.