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Where in SF did you feel unsafe? I walk around all parts of the city considered “dangerous” (Bayview, Mission, Ocean View/Ingleside) and nothing has happened t

by zghst 9y ago

Where in SF did you feel unsafe? I walk around all parts of the city considered “dangerous” (Bayview, Mission, Ocean View/Ingleside) and nothing has happened to me. Really the only “bad” area SF has is the Tenderloin and it’s common sense not to be out there wandering around even during the day.

pfarnsworth 9y ago
Thanks for your anecdote. I have had friends beaten up and robbed in the Mission. I have a friend who lives in Bayview who had his windows shot out. My friend's friend was mugged in Glen Park BART station, she was punched in the face and the mugger grabbed her bag, no one did anything. My wife's friends had their phones stolen off their table at a Starbucks in Noe.
- santaclaus 9y ago
  Sure, and the same anecdotes hold in Manhattan. I've had friends robbed at knifepoint in the Upper West Side, I've seen phone jackings at 1pm in front of Gristedes in the Upper East Side. Hell, my brother's roommate in Harlem was clocked with a baseball bat in the head while leaving his apartment and subsequently robbed blind. By and large NYC and San Francisco are both very safe cites in the grand scheme of things. (Unless you are a car window in San Francisco. Then you are screwed).
  - dawhizkid 9y ago
    or if you are on BART are terrorized by a gang of teens https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/11/25/group-of-teens-strikes-again-in-bart-cellphone-snatching-thefts/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/11/25/group-of-teens-strik...
    - santaclaus 9y ago
      Sure, and groups of teens in NYC have been sucker punching random people on the streets for a few years now. [1] [1] http://www.newsweek.com/new-yorkers-are-getting-sucker-punched-face-thanks-knockout-game-695513 http://www.newsweek.com/new-yorkers-are-getting-sucker-punch...
      - smachiz 9y ago
        Sure - NYC isn't crime free. But you're ignoring the actual data that shows the prevalence per capita to be substantially lower than SF.
        santaclaus 9y ago
        I never said San Francisco was safer than NYC, but even looking at those statistics they are mostly comparable in terms of violent crimes (notice that I did say your car is much more likely to get burgled in San Francisco), and the rate of aggravated assault is higher in that study in NYC. My point is that that both San Francisco and NYC are by and large safe cities by American city standards.
  - smachiz 9y ago
    Look at the crime stats: http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/public_safety/crime-selectcities.htm http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/public_safety/crime-selec... In 2014 (NYC has only gotten better), SF is substantially worse by virtually every measure - some metrics over 3x worse per capita. Trying to equate them - or even consider them similar - is generally dishonest.
  - korzun 9y ago
    I grew up in Brooklyn. Still live here. You are most likely a transplant because all of the borough's are extremely safe now. It's kind of ridiculous how much safer it got. No offense.
- madengr 9y ago
  Need CCW.
dawhizkid 9y ago
SF has the highest per-capita property crime rate in the country among top 50 cities: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/25/us/san-francisco-torn-as-some-see-street-behavior-worsen.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/25/us/san-francisco-torn-as-... You can't use a personal anecdote to suggest SF is at least as safe as NYC or other major urban centers. "Anecdotally" I saw way more broken glass on sidewalks from car break-ins, saw several phone jackings in broad daylight, and, at the same day, remember wondering to myself on many days why I hadn't seen a single police officer/car on my regular commute...
- zghst 9y ago
  San Francisco is far from Detroit or East St. Louis or even other places in California. Though I may have a different perspective on “crime” since I’m not as easily scared and use my senses to keep me out of trouble. It’s a city, shit happens just make sure it doesn’t happen to you.
  - smachiz 9y ago
    Yeah... no. Not all cities are equal - as the crime stats you just ignored show. I just moved from Manhattan to Brooklyn - it's not the same as Manhattan, but I still feel safer in Brooklyn than in SF. And you say "avoiding the tenderloin even during the day is common sense" - it's not the Bronx, it's in the middle of town. Make a left from a $400/night hotel room and you're standing next to human feces and needles. That would be like if I told NYC visitors to "avoid midtown west in Manhattan, it's just common sense." But you know what is interesting - you would've gotten that advice in NYC in 1985. Times Square wasn't safe. Now it's a shithole of a different variety - but a safe one. SF doesn't need to be the way it is.
    - dieterrams 9y ago
      > Make a left from a $400/night hotel room and you're standing next to human feces and needles. To be fair, there are human feces all over downtown.
chrisseaton 9y ago
> it’s common sense not to be out there wandering around even during the day It seems pretty bad that a major western city has a completely no-go area right in the middle. Dismissing it as not a problem because it’s common sense to avoid a large area of the centre of the city doesn’t help the argument!
- jacobolus 9y ago
  I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant. The main 'problem' people have is that there are poor people living there in SROs, and a good number of homeless people loitering all the time. But they mostly keep to themselves. Some folks certainly have substance abuse or mental health problems and will be talking to themselves, and if you walk through you might get shouted at, and sometimes there is a shouting match out in public, and statistically there is some amount of crime between residents, but it's generally not a physical threat to people walking through. It is by no means a 'no-go area'.
  - fragsworth 9y ago
    > I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant. Are you joking? Or just insane? I'm a 160 lbs male and would not walk through the tenderloin at night. It's really fucking scary. Almost everyone there is homeless and on drugs. The bad kind of drugs. I would go so far as to say that someone carrying an infant through that area might be endangering the child.
    - jacobolus 9y ago
      People living in a snooty wealthy bubble get 'really fucking scared' pretty easily. It's not like drug addicts sitting on the sidewalk go out of their way to attack strangers walking by in the middle of a busy public street. I'm not recommending you find a big angry looking person and insult his mother. There are lots of people with kids who live in the Tenderloin and presumably pass through their own neighborhood at all hours. Walking around near poor homeless people now counts as 'child endangerment' I guess...
kalleboo 9y ago
Last time I spent a week in SF for WWDC, I saw one car breakin (near Height-Ashbury) and one woman get her phone snatched and shoved to the ground so violently she hit her head on the pavement and started bleeding (Market street). I've never witnessed a single act of crime like that in any other city I've been to on earth (I lived in Europe, now in Asia), so it was quite shocking.
southphillyman 9y ago
I once had dinner at Montesacro Pinseria at night and parked a couple of blocks away....the walk to the alley where the restaurant is was interesting. I didn't feel unsafe simply because so many people were outside and there was lots of traffic but I still was pretty surprised that SF had areas like that. I joked with my wife , who was terrified, that it reminded me of CJs first neighborhood in GTAV.

by zghst 9y ago

pfarnsworth 9y ago

Thanks for your anecdote. I have had friends beaten up and robbed in the Mission. I have a friend who lives in Bayview who had his windows shot out. My friend's friend was mugged in Glen Park BART station, she was punched in the face and the mugger grabbed her bag, no one did anything. My wife's friends had their phones stolen off their table at a Starbucks in Noe.

santaclaus 9y ago
Sure, and the same anecdotes hold in Manhattan. I've had friends robbed at knifepoint in the Upper West Side, I've seen phone jackings at 1pm in front of Gristedes in the Upper East Side. Hell, my brother's roommate in Harlem was clocked with a baseball bat in the head while leaving his apartment and subsequently robbed blind. By and large NYC and San Francisco are both very safe cites in the grand scheme of things. (Unless you are a car window in San Francisco. Then you are screwed).
- dawhizkid 9y ago
  or if you are on BART are terrorized by a gang of teens https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/11/25/group-of-teens-strikes-again-in-bart-cellphone-snatching-thefts/ https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/11/25/group-of-teens-strik...
  - santaclaus 9y ago
    Sure, and groups of teens in NYC have been sucker punching random people on the streets for a few years now. [1] [1] http://www.newsweek.com/new-yorkers-are-getting-sucker-punched-face-thanks-knockout-game-695513 http://www.newsweek.com/new-yorkers-are-getting-sucker-punch...
    - smachiz 9y ago
      Sure - NYC isn't crime free. But you're ignoring the actual data that shows the prevalence per capita to be substantially lower than SF.
      - santaclaus 9y ago
        I never said San Francisco was safer than NYC, but even looking at those statistics they are mostly comparable in terms of violent crimes (notice that I did say your car is much more likely to get burgled in San Francisco), and the rate of aggravated assault is higher in that study in NYC. My point is that that both San Francisco and NYC are by and large safe cities by American city standards.
- smachiz 9y ago
  Look at the crime stats: http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/public_safety/crime-selectcities.htm http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/public_safety/crime-selec... In 2014 (NYC has only gotten better), SF is substantially worse by virtually every measure - some metrics over 3x worse per capita. Trying to equate them - or even consider them similar - is generally dishonest.
- korzun 9y ago
  I grew up in Brooklyn. Still live here. You are most likely a transplant because all of the borough's are extremely safe now. It's kind of ridiculous how much safer it got. No offense.
madengr 9y ago
Need CCW.

dawhizkid 9y ago

SF has the highest per-capita property crime rate in the country among top 50 cities: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/25/us/san-francisco-torn-as-some-see-street-behavior-worsen.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/25/us/san-francisco-torn-as-... You can't use a personal anecdote to suggest SF is at least as safe as NYC or other major urban centers. "Anecdotally" I saw way more broken glass on sidewalks from car break-ins, saw several phone jackings in broad daylight, and, at the same day, remember wondering to myself on many days why I hadn't seen a single police officer/car on my regular commute...

zghst 9y ago
San Francisco is far from Detroit or East St. Louis or even other places in California. Though I may have a different perspective on “crime” since I’m not as easily scared and use my senses to keep me out of trouble. It’s a city, shit happens just make sure it doesn’t happen to you.
- smachiz 9y ago
  Yeah... no. Not all cities are equal - as the crime stats you just ignored show. I just moved from Manhattan to Brooklyn - it's not the same as Manhattan, but I still feel safer in Brooklyn than in SF. And you say "avoiding the tenderloin even during the day is common sense" - it's not the Bronx, it's in the middle of town. Make a left from a $400/night hotel room and you're standing next to human feces and needles. That would be like if I told NYC visitors to "avoid midtown west in Manhattan, it's just common sense." But you know what is interesting - you would've gotten that advice in NYC in 1985. Times Square wasn't safe. Now it's a shithole of a different variety - but a safe one. SF doesn't need to be the way it is.
  - dieterrams 9y ago
    > Make a left from a $400/night hotel room and you're standing next to human feces and needles. To be fair, there are human feces all over downtown.

chrisseaton 9y ago

> it’s common sense not to be out there wandering around even during the day It seems pretty bad that a major western city has a completely no-go area right in the middle. Dismissing it as not a problem because it’s common sense to avoid a large area of the centre of the city doesn’t help the argument!

jacobolus 9y ago
I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant. The main 'problem' people have is that there are poor people living there in SROs, and a good number of homeless people loitering all the time. But they mostly keep to themselves. Some folks certainly have substance abuse or mental health problems and will be talking to themselves, and if you walk through you might get shouted at, and sometimes there is a shouting match out in public, and statistically there is some amount of crime between residents, but it's generally not a physical threat to people walking through. It is by no means a 'no-go area'.
- fragsworth 9y ago
  > I've never felt unsafe walking around in the Tenderloin, e.g. carrying an infant. Are you joking? Or just insane? I'm a 160 lbs male and would not walk through the tenderloin at night. It's really fucking scary. Almost everyone there is homeless and on drugs. The bad kind of drugs. I would go so far as to say that someone carrying an infant through that area might be endangering the child.
  - jacobolus 9y ago
    People living in a snooty wealthy bubble get 'really fucking scared' pretty easily. It's not like drug addicts sitting on the sidewalk go out of their way to attack strangers walking by in the middle of a busy public street. I'm not recommending you find a big angry looking person and insult his mother. There are lots of people with kids who live in the Tenderloin and presumably pass through their own neighborhood at all hours. Walking around near poor homeless people now counts as 'child endangerment' I guess...

kalleboo 9y ago

Last time I spent a week in SF for WWDC, I saw one car breakin (near Height-Ashbury) and one woman get her phone snatched and shoved to the ground so violently she hit her head on the pavement and started bleeding (Market street). I've never witnessed a single act of crime like that in any other city I've been to on earth (I lived in Europe, now in Asia), so it was quite shocking.

southphillyman 9y ago

I once had dinner at Montesacro Pinseria at night and parked a couple of blocks away....the walk to the alley where the restaurant is was interesting. I didn't feel unsafe simply because so many people were outside and there was lots of traffic but I still was pretty surprised that SF had areas like that. I joked with my wife , who was terrified, that it reminded me of CJs first neighborhood in GTAV.