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> but the OP isn't just talking about felonies, but homicides. "The Wire" Season 4 aside, it's much harder for the police to fudge a body count. Yes, but you a
by phonon 9y ago
> but the OP isn't just talking about felonies, but homicides. "The Wire" Season 4 aside, it's much harder for the police to fudge a body count.
Yes, but you also need to take into account that emergency rooms have gotten much better at treating gunshot wounds and other serious crime-related traumas. I.e. even with the same exact level of crime, the homicide rate would still have gone down significantly over the last few decades.
- ch4s3 9y agoERs are required to report stabbings and gun shots, so that would still be captured in the crime rate.
- danso 9y agoI think that's a legitimate argument. However, it seems unlikely that law enforcement agencies fudged the rest of their violent crime numbers to show a corresponding sharp decline in non-homicide rates. (Though given enough pressure to have good stats, anythings possible!) But New York's low crime rate is remarkable not only when compared across decades. The 2017 reported numbers are notable because it's yet another year of improvement in the post-Bloomberg-tough-policing era. At its peak, Bloomberg's policies resulted in 685,724 stop-and-frisk reports in 2011. After a lawsuit in 2012 -- stop-and-frisks declined to 45,787 by 2014, Bill de Blasio's first year. In 2016, the number was 12,404: https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data This radical departure in policy was blamed for a jump in homicides and shootings in 2015 [0], even as the NYPD reported a massive drop in complaints [1]. In 2017, both complaints and violent crime are at lows. If only felonies and violent non-homicides had decreased, you could make an argument that the dropped rates are from police cooking the stats. But healthcare tech hasn't improved that much from 2014 to make a huge dent in killed persons. [0] http://abc7ny.com/news/mayor-de-blasio-calls-on-nypd-to-lower-crime-without-increasing-stop-and-frisk/763042/ http://abc7ny.com/news/mayor-de-blasio-calls-on-nypd-to-lowe... [1] http://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/544-14/de-blasio-administration-significant-drop-misconduct-complaints-filed-against-nypd http://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/544-14/de-blasi...
- hyperpape 9y agoTrue, but that shouldn’t have a significant effect on the relative improvement for NYC vs other cities.