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In this example, and like High Sierra root bug, these are primarily software-based issues that have no transparency to the public to evaluate their true origins

In this example, and like High Sierra root bug, these are primarily software-based issues that have no transparency to the public to evaluate their true origins or resolve on their own; instead it is masked behind a mostly closed-source multi-national corporation caught evading taxes, abusing workers, and now slowing old phones that further exploits their socio-economic divide: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/04/apple_vs_android_developers_see_a_socioeconomic_divide.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/04/apple... Let's see what Google says and does instead for their source code: https://source.android.com https://source.android.com "We also wanted to make sure there was no central point of failure, where one industry player could restrict or control the innovations of any other. The result is a full, production-quality operating system for consumer products with source code open for customization and porting." Let's see in terms of Android hardware, what you can get on Amazon that will outperform a $500 iPhone 6s and has better specs. http://a.co/b16AAfJ http://a.co/b16AAfJ http://a.co/d4XxSlO http://a.co/d4XxSlO Those are just two options, both better specs and over $300 cheaper. What is Apple really selling you aside from a status symbol and the feeling that you belong to some unique elitist club?

greedo 9y ago
Android is so pure, they'd never do this type of throttling. Oh wait: https://plus.google.com/+YgorCortes/posts/CZ2GhoxgHk3 https://plus.google.com/+YgorCortes/posts/CZ2GhoxgHk3
- braderhart 9y ago
  Except people post solutions/tools to diagnose & fix the problem in that link, because it is a significantly more open platform.
jmull 9y ago
You're conflating and combing a lot of things here into a big Apple-is-bad bundle. I don't think I can respond to all of it. I don't even necessarily disagree with your conclusion -- at the moment, I don't know enough to decide if Apple, all things weighed, is predominantly "good" or "bad", relative to what you might be able to expect from a large corporation. I probably never will. But if I think it's a fairly extraordinary claim if you think Google is relatively "good". As I see it, for Apple, the iPhone is the product and I'm the customer. For Google, I'm the product and advertisers are the customer. That doesn't mean Apple never jerks me around. Sure they do. But Apple jerks me around when they screw up, and Google jerks me around when they are doing their job right. > What is Apple really selling you aside from a status symbol and the feeling that you belong to some unique elitist club? Hm. I've heard this kind of thing before but I just can't see how the iPhone can be conceived of as a status symbol or a sign of an elitist unique club. Hundreds of millions of people are walking around with these phones (and everyone knows this). I realize it can be different in different parts of the world, but in the U.S., where I live, there's no sense of exclusivity or luxury from owning an iPhone, at least not in the middle class circles I run in. In fact, it seems the iPhone does the best in richer economies -- places where it is NOT a sign of luxury or exclusivity. Think about it. I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding the appeal of these devices.
- braderhart 9y ago
  I think I am fundamentally misunderstanding the appeal of these devices, which is why I don't own one. I don't want to use iCloud, iTunes, or anything else to lock me into an ecosystem that is expensive and restrictive. I don't want to buy exclusive hardware to use an operating system. I run Linux and use rclone with Google Drive and it is still supported. Why? Because Google actually has an API. What about Apple? https://github.com/ncw/rclone/issues/1778 https://github.com/ncw/rclone/issues/1778 I don't even want to get into AirPods that are excessively marked up pretty much like every Apple accessory and product: http://a.co/h3yPiSv http://a.co/h3yPiSv If it isn't about status, then I don't really get why people would choose this path. It doesn't make sense to me. I work in the tech industry and watch people spend $3k all the time for Apple computers and equipment that I can get the same or better specs for half the price by choosing a different company. Maybe I've just never felt it was very ethical to support a business that overcharges for devices that can help educate and provide tools and training to people. I always felt it was the responsibility of companies like this to make their equipment and software as equally accessible as possible, not actively exploit people through social engineering. Not everyone will agree with this, but that is my perception.
jsz0 9y ago
If you think this is important you should definitely buy an Android device instead. No need to belittle and mock people who have different priorities than you. That's a nasty way to be.
- braderhart 9y ago
  I wouldn't take it personal because I don't like Apple. Maybe it came across that way, but it really is more about the company and culture as a whole.

greedo 9y ago

Android is so pure, they'd never do this type of throttling. Oh wait: https://plus.google.com/+YgorCortes/posts/CZ2GhoxgHk3 https://plus.google.com/+YgorCortes/posts/CZ2GhoxgHk3

braderhart 9y ago
Except people post solutions/tools to diagnose & fix the problem in that link, because it is a significantly more open platform.

jmull 9y ago

You're conflating and combing a lot of things here into a big Apple-is-bad bundle. I don't think I can respond to all of it. I don't even necessarily disagree with your conclusion -- at the moment, I don't know enough to decide if Apple, all things weighed, is predominantly "good" or "bad", relative to what you might be able to expect from a large corporation. I probably never will. But if I think it's a fairly extraordinary claim if you think Google is relatively "good". As I see it, for Apple, the iPhone is the product and I'm the customer. For Google, I'm the product and advertisers are the customer. That doesn't mean Apple never jerks me around. Sure they do. But Apple jerks me around when they screw up, and Google jerks me around when they are doing their job right. > What is Apple really selling you aside from a status symbol and the feeling that you belong to some unique elitist club? Hm. I've heard this kind of thing before but I just can't see how the iPhone can be conceived of as a status symbol or a sign of an elitist unique club. Hundreds of millions of people are walking around with these phones (and everyone knows this). I realize it can be different in different parts of the world, but in the U.S., where I live, there's no sense of exclusivity or luxury from owning an iPhone, at least not in the middle class circles I run in. In fact, it seems the iPhone does the best in richer economies -- places where it is NOT a sign of luxury or exclusivity. Think about it. I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding the appeal of these devices.

braderhart 9y ago
I think I am fundamentally misunderstanding the appeal of these devices, which is why I don't own one. I don't want to use iCloud, iTunes, or anything else to lock me into an ecosystem that is expensive and restrictive. I don't want to buy exclusive hardware to use an operating system. I run Linux and use rclone with Google Drive and it is still supported. Why? Because Google actually has an API. What about Apple? https://github.com/ncw/rclone/issues/1778 https://github.com/ncw/rclone/issues/1778 I don't even want to get into AirPods that are excessively marked up pretty much like every Apple accessory and product: http://a.co/h3yPiSv http://a.co/h3yPiSv If it isn't about status, then I don't really get why people would choose this path. It doesn't make sense to me. I work in the tech industry and watch people spend $3k all the time for Apple computers and equipment that I can get the same or better specs for half the price by choosing a different company. Maybe I've just never felt it was very ethical to support a business that overcharges for devices that can help educate and provide tools and training to people. I always felt it was the responsibility of companies like this to make their equipment and software as equally accessible as possible, not actively exploit people through social engineering. Not everyone will agree with this, but that is my perception.

jsz0 9y ago

If you think this is important you should definitely buy an Android device instead. No need to belittle and mock people who have different priorities than you. That's a nasty way to be.

braderhart 9y ago
I wouldn't take it personal because I don't like Apple. Maybe it came across that way, but it really is more about the company and culture as a whole.