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Oh come on. At least you can express what you think is wrong about my take on it rather than just calling me a shill. I'm not a shill, BTW. I was affected by t

by jmull 9y ago

Oh come on. At least you can express what you think is wrong about my take on it rather than just calling me a shill. I'm not a shill, BTW. I was affected by this and think Apple stinks for letting it get to this point. I found out my iPhone 6+ was running at 600Mhz most of the time when it would normally would run at 1400Mhz (going by CPU DasherX). Also, the real world user-experience seemed to be even worse than those numbers, so my guess is there are things affected even more by this than CPU clock. But I just don't generally expect tech companies to always get it right, especially not the first time. I think this is just being realistic. So for me, the question is, how do they respond when they screw up. I think this response is excellent of Apple, except that it took too long. Knocking some points off for that, it still comes out to "good", IMO.

unclebucknasty 9y ago
>just don't generally expect tech companies to always get it right, especially not the first time. I think you're being far too generous to Apple. I won't repeat my previous comment on this thread, but the gist is they knew what they were doing, they knew rumors were swirling for years about slowing down older devices, and they certainly knew that slowed devices encouraged increased participation in their incremental update-oriented product roadmap. There is no reason they couldn't have been transparent about this much earlier and, AFAIK, no technical reason this battery management software couldn't have been released earlier. Given this context, to say they're just figuring it all out and suggest we should ignore their "mistake" and give them credit because they are now doing the right thing does seem a bit naive.
y_u_no_rust 9y ago
Yeah, now I know it wasn't iOS 11 causing my iPhone 6+ to lag so extremely.. pressing the home button and switching apps shuddered like android in 2009 these fuckers did that on purpose so they could easily force people to upgrade their contracts with a new phone I'm honestly not sure what's happening with Apple these days, their shit is going downhill fast.. they are making a ton of money though so maybe it dosen't really matter
braderhart 9y ago
In this example, and like High Sierra root bug, these are primarily software-based issues that have no transparency to the public to evaluate their true origins or resolve on their own; instead it is masked behind a mostly closed-source multi-national corporation caught evading taxes, abusing workers, and now slowing old phones that further exploits their socio-economic divide: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/04/apple_vs_android_developers_see_a_socioeconomic_divide.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/04/apple... Let's see what Google says and does instead for their source code: https://source.android.com https://source.android.com "We also wanted to make sure there was no central point of failure, where one industry player could restrict or control the innovations of any other. The result is a full, production-quality operating system for consumer products with source code open for customization and porting." Let's see in terms of Android hardware, what you can get on Amazon that will outperform a $500 iPhone 6s and has better specs. http://a.co/b16AAfJ http://a.co/b16AAfJ http://a.co/d4XxSlO http://a.co/d4XxSlO Those are just two options, both better specs and over $300 cheaper. What is Apple really selling you aside from a status symbol and the feeling that you belong to some unique elitist club?
- greedo 9y ago
  Android is so pure, they'd never do this type of throttling. Oh wait: https://plus.google.com/+YgorCortes/posts/CZ2GhoxgHk3 https://plus.google.com/+YgorCortes/posts/CZ2GhoxgHk3
  - braderhart 9y ago
    Except people post solutions/tools to diagnose & fix the problem in that link, because it is a significantly more open platform.
- jmull 9y ago
  You're conflating and combing a lot of things here into a big Apple-is-bad bundle. I don't think I can respond to all of it. I don't even necessarily disagree with your conclusion -- at the moment, I don't know enough to decide if Apple, all things weighed, is predominantly "good" or "bad", relative to what you might be able to expect from a large corporation. I probably never will. But if I think it's a fairly extraordinary claim if you think Google is relatively "good". As I see it, for Apple, the iPhone is the product and I'm the customer. For Google, I'm the product and advertisers are the customer. That doesn't mean Apple never jerks me around. Sure they do. But Apple jerks me around when they screw up, and Google jerks me around when they are doing their job right. > What is Apple really selling you aside from a status symbol and the feeling that you belong to some unique elitist club? Hm. I've heard this kind of thing before but I just can't see how the iPhone can be conceived of as a status symbol or a sign of an elitist unique club. Hundreds of millions of people are walking around with these phones (and everyone knows this). I realize it can be different in different parts of the world, but in the U.S., where I live, there's no sense of exclusivity or luxury from owning an iPhone, at least not in the middle class circles I run in. In fact, it seems the iPhone does the best in richer economies -- places where it is NOT a sign of luxury or exclusivity. Think about it. I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding the appeal of these devices.

by jmull 9y ago

unclebucknasty 9y ago

>just don't generally expect tech companies to always get it right, especially not the first time. I think you're being far too generous to Apple. I won't repeat my previous comment on this thread, but the gist is they knew what they were doing, they knew rumors were swirling for years about slowing down older devices, and they certainly knew that slowed devices encouraged increased participation in their incremental update-oriented product roadmap. There is no reason they couldn't have been transparent about this much earlier and, AFAIK, no technical reason this battery management software couldn't have been released earlier. Given this context, to say they're just figuring it all out and suggest we should ignore their "mistake" and give them credit because they are now doing the right thing does seem a bit naive.

y_u_no_rust 9y ago

Yeah, now I know it wasn't iOS 11 causing my iPhone 6+ to lag so extremely.. pressing the home button and switching apps shuddered like android in 2009 these fuckers did that on purpose so they could easily force people to upgrade their contracts with a new phone I'm honestly not sure what's happening with Apple these days, their shit is going downhill fast.. they are making a ton of money though so maybe it dosen't really matter

braderhart 9y ago

In this example, and like High Sierra root bug, these are primarily software-based issues that have no transparency to the public to evaluate their true origins or resolve on their own; instead it is masked behind a mostly closed-source multi-national corporation caught evading taxes, abusing workers, and now slowing old phones that further exploits their socio-economic divide: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/04/apple_vs_android_developers_see_a_socioeconomic_divide.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/04/apple... Let's see what Google says and does instead for their source code: https://source.android.com https://source.android.com "We also wanted to make sure there was no central point of failure, where one industry player could restrict or control the innovations of any other. The result is a full, production-quality operating system for consumer products with source code open for customization and porting." Let's see in terms of Android hardware, what you can get on Amazon that will outperform a $500 iPhone 6s and has better specs. http://a.co/b16AAfJ http://a.co/b16AAfJ http://a.co/d4XxSlO http://a.co/d4XxSlO Those are just two options, both better specs and over $300 cheaper. What is Apple really selling you aside from a status symbol and the feeling that you belong to some unique elitist club?

greedo 9y ago
Android is so pure, they'd never do this type of throttling. Oh wait: https://plus.google.com/+YgorCortes/posts/CZ2GhoxgHk3 https://plus.google.com/+YgorCortes/posts/CZ2GhoxgHk3
- braderhart 9y ago
  Except people post solutions/tools to diagnose & fix the problem in that link, because it is a significantly more open platform.
jmull 9y ago
You're conflating and combing a lot of things here into a big Apple-is-bad bundle. I don't think I can respond to all of it. I don't even necessarily disagree with your conclusion -- at the moment, I don't know enough to decide if Apple, all things weighed, is predominantly "good" or "bad", relative to what you might be able to expect from a large corporation. I probably never will. But if I think it's a fairly extraordinary claim if you think Google is relatively "good". As I see it, for Apple, the iPhone is the product and I'm the customer. For Google, I'm the product and advertisers are the customer. That doesn't mean Apple never jerks me around. Sure they do. But Apple jerks me around when they screw up, and Google jerks me around when they are doing their job right. > What is Apple really selling you aside from a status symbol and the feeling that you belong to some unique elitist club? Hm. I've heard this kind of thing before but I just can't see how the iPhone can be conceived of as a status symbol or a sign of an elitist unique club. Hundreds of millions of people are walking around with these phones (and everyone knows this). I realize it can be different in different parts of the world, but in the U.S., where I live, there's no sense of exclusivity or luxury from owning an iPhone, at least not in the middle class circles I run in. In fact, it seems the iPhone does the best in richer economies -- places where it is NOT a sign of luxury or exclusivity. Think about it. I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding the appeal of these devices.