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Sure, so where is this 3-4x coming from? We would all love to have something comparable to MBP for 1/4 the price, but.. where is it?

nl 9y ago
Xiaomi Mi Air 12, 13 and 15.
- carterehsmith 9y ago
  Hmm that does not seem to be fighting the MBP... more like fighting the $1000-$1300 HPs, Dells, and so on E.g. http://www.techradar.com/reviews/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro/2 http://www.techradar.com/reviews/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro/2
  - nl 9y ago
    Well it’s a windows laptop, so yes they say what else you can get that is directly comparable. It’s the price of the midrange Windows laptops, but the specs and build quality of the MacBooks. The downside is Windows of course. But it is supposed to work pretty well under Linux.
    - carterehsmith 9y ago
      >> It’s the price of the midrange Windows laptops, but the specs and build quality of the MacBooks. "specs and build quality of the MacBooks"? Great, can we see that mythical laptop that is 3-4x cheaper than equivalently-specced MBP or not? Url? Or is it just empty talk?
      - nl 9y ago
        Why the hostility? I think it’s more like 2.5 to 3 times cheaper than 3 to 4, but it’s pretty easy to find. A$1400: https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-i7-quad-core-16gb-ram-256gb-ssd-hard-disk-windows10-mx150-2gb_p6220537.html?prm=1.5.1 https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-.... Vs A$3500: https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MPTR2X/A&step=config# https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MP... (with weaker CPU and GPU)
        stephenr 9y ago
        You know those are drastically different displays right?
        nl 9y ago
        Yes. It also has a much better selection of ports than a MacBook. It also doesn’t come with OSX. Pretty sure you can find some other differences too. I’m sure for some people the screen is a deal breaker. Others won’t care.
        stephenr 9y ago
        You replied to a comment that says: > can we see that mythical laptop that is 3-4x cheaper than equivalently-specced MBP or not? So, how is it even remotely equivalent?
        nl 9y ago
        Are you serious? Every single person has specs they care about and ones they don’t. I don’t think the resolution is interesting at all, but I agree some will. For some people the great MPB trackpad is enough to sell it. Some people want the Xiaomi NVidia GPU. Some want retina screen, some want resolutions with better Linux support. If you don’t like it don’t get it. But don’t nitpick to try to find some way they aren’t exactly the same: no one thinks that they are. Nevertheless they are both high quality, i7, 16GB aluminium notebooks which suit developers.
        carterehsmith 9y ago
        "much better selection of ports" How so? It does not seem to have a single Thunderbolt 3 port. MBP has four of them. Instead, Xiaomi has a bunch of USB-whatever &c. That is not "better", that is strictly "worse" and cheaper.
ProAm 9y ago
You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Especially for what most Mac users do with their PC/laptops. Apple has always extraordinarily overcharged/taken advantage of their customers. Of course this is my opinion, and like I said I even used to recommend them to less than technical folks because it used to 'just work'.
- carterehsmith 9y ago
  >> You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Ok please show us the laptop that is 1/4 of the price of the same-specs MBP. Or how one could build one.
  - ProAm 9y ago
    Just go spec it out for yourself. Im not doing a homework assignment for you to prove that Apple fleeces it's customers. Especially in regards to a discussion on how Apple quality has dropped so significantly over the past 8 years.
    - carterehsmith 9y ago
      >> Just go spec it out for yourself. I do it like once a month, and this "3-4x" claim is strictly false. If you spec MBP versus Dell or HP or Lenovo or whatever with the same parts, Apple may be anything between 5%-30% more, nowhere near 300%-400% that you claim.
      - ProAm 9y ago
        Ive been following Apple for 10+ years and Im not wrong. Am I exact? No, but close enough. They used to charge you $100 to write software for your own iPhone. But a semantical argument isnt the one Im making.
        carterehsmith 9y ago
        >> Im not wrong. Sure thing. Long as you remember to show us the laptop 3-4x cheaper than the equivalent MBP.

nl 9y ago

Xiaomi Mi Air 12, 13 and 15.

carterehsmith 9y ago
Hmm that does not seem to be fighting the MBP... more like fighting the $1000-$1300 HPs, Dells, and so on E.g. http://www.techradar.com/reviews/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro/2 http://www.techradar.com/reviews/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro/2
- nl 9y ago
  Well it’s a windows laptop, so yes they say what else you can get that is directly comparable. It’s the price of the midrange Windows laptops, but the specs and build quality of the MacBooks. The downside is Windows of course. But it is supposed to work pretty well under Linux.
  - carterehsmith 9y ago
    >> It’s the price of the midrange Windows laptops, but the specs and build quality of the MacBooks. "specs and build quality of the MacBooks"? Great, can we see that mythical laptop that is 3-4x cheaper than equivalently-specced MBP or not? Url? Or is it just empty talk?
    - nl 9y ago
      Why the hostility? I think it’s more like 2.5 to 3 times cheaper than 3 to 4, but it’s pretty easy to find. A$1400: https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-i7-quad-core-16gb-ram-256gb-ssd-hard-disk-windows10-mx150-2gb_p6220537.html?prm=1.5.1 https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-.... Vs A$3500: https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MPTR2X/A&step=config# https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MP... (with weaker CPU and GPU)
      - stephenr 9y ago
        You know those are drastically different displays right?
        nl 9y ago
        Yes. It also has a much better selection of ports than a MacBook. It also doesn’t come with OSX. Pretty sure you can find some other differences too. I’m sure for some people the screen is a deal breaker. Others won’t care.
        stephenr 9y ago
        You replied to a comment that says: > can we see that mythical laptop that is 3-4x cheaper than equivalently-specced MBP or not? So, how is it even remotely equivalent?
        nl 9y ago
        Are you serious? Every single person has specs they care about and ones they don’t. I don’t think the resolution is interesting at all, but I agree some will. For some people the great MPB trackpad is enough to sell it. Some people want the Xiaomi NVidia GPU. Some want retina screen, some want resolutions with better Linux support. If you don’t like it don’t get it. But don’t nitpick to try to find some way they aren’t exactly the same: no one thinks that they are. Nevertheless they are both high quality, i7, 16GB aluminium notebooks which suit developers.
        carterehsmith 9y ago
        "much better selection of ports" How so? It does not seem to have a single Thunderbolt 3 port. MBP has four of them. Instead, Xiaomi has a bunch of USB-whatever &c. That is not "better", that is strictly "worse" and cheaper.

ProAm 9y ago

You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Especially for what most Mac users do with their PC/laptops. Apple has always extraordinarily overcharged/taken advantage of their customers. Of course this is my opinion, and like I said I even used to recommend them to less than technical folks because it used to 'just work'.

carterehsmith 9y ago
>> You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Ok please show us the laptop that is 1/4 of the price of the same-specs MBP. Or how one could build one.
- ProAm 9y ago
  Just go spec it out for yourself. Im not doing a homework assignment for you to prove that Apple fleeces it's customers. Especially in regards to a discussion on how Apple quality has dropped so significantly over the past 8 years.
  - carterehsmith 9y ago
    >> Just go spec it out for yourself. I do it like once a month, and this "3-4x" claim is strictly false. If you spec MBP versus Dell or HP or Lenovo or whatever with the same parts, Apple may be anything between 5%-30% more, nowhere near 300%-400% that you claim.
    - ProAm 9y ago
      Ive been following Apple for 10+ years and Im not wrong. Am I exact? No, but close enough. They used to charge you $100 to write software for your own iPhone. But a semantical argument isnt the one Im making.
      - carterehsmith 9y ago
        >> Im not wrong. Sure thing. Long as you remember to show us the laptop 3-4x cheaper than the equivalent MBP.