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>> they charge 3-4x what other platforms charge Wait... where is this 3-4x number coming from? Are there any examples?

chaostheory 9y ago
ProAm is probably referring to desktops. I don't feel it's hard to get something equivalent or very near equivalent in power to a Mac Pro and spending 3x less. When it comes to laptops, the Apple tax is only about 2x more unless you compare it to an MS Surface Laptop which is about equal in price and quality.
- ProAm 9y ago
  Yes I was mainly referring to desktop and laptops. Phones were mostly in the 2x range for a longtime until other companies began to push their 'flagship' phones at high prices as well. I've never been an Apple person but I used to recommend Apple to my non-technical friends and family and say, 'Your going to pay a bit more but not have to worry about it not working, getting viruses (back when this was an issue), etc...' but I don't feel that way anymore.
  - carterehsmith 9y ago
    Sure, so where is this 3-4x coming from? We would all love to have something comparable to MBP for 1/4 the price, but.. where is it?
    - nl 9y ago
      Xiaomi Mi Air 12, 13 and 15.
      - carterehsmith 9y ago
        Hmm that does not seem to be fighting the MBP... more like fighting the $1000-$1300 HPs, Dells, and so on E.g. http://www.techradar.com/reviews/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro/2 http://www.techradar.com/reviews/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro/2
        nl 9y ago
        Well it’s a windows laptop, so yes they say what else you can get that is directly comparable. It’s the price of the midrange Windows laptops, but the specs and build quality of the MacBooks. The downside is Windows of course. But it is supposed to work pretty well under Linux.
        carterehsmith 9y ago
        >> It’s the price of the midrange Windows laptops, but the specs and build quality of the MacBooks. "specs and build quality of the MacBooks"? Great, can we see that mythical laptop that is 3-4x cheaper than equivalently-specced MBP or not? Url? Or is it just empty talk?
        nl 9y ago
        Why the hostility? I think it’s more like 2.5 to 3 times cheaper than 3 to 4, but it’s pretty easy to find. A$1400: https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-i7-quad-core-16gb-ram-256gb-ssd-hard-disk-windows10-mx150-2gb_p6220537.html?prm=1.5.1 https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-.... Vs A$3500: https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MPTR2X/A&step=config# https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MP... (with weaker CPU and GPU)
        stephenr 9y ago
        You know those are drastically different displays right?
        nl 9y ago
        Yes. It also has a much better selection of ports than a MacBook. It also doesn’t come with OSX. Pretty sure you can find some other differences too. I’m sure for some people the screen is a deal breaker. Others won’t care.
        9y ago
    - ProAm 9y ago
      You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Especially for what most Mac users do with their PC/laptops. Apple has always extraordinarily overcharged/taken advantage of their customers. Of course this is my opinion, and like I said I even used to recommend them to less than technical folks because it used to 'just work'.
      - carterehsmith 9y ago
        >> You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Ok please show us the laptop that is 1/4 of the price of the same-specs MBP. Or how one could build one.
        ProAm 9y ago
        Just go spec it out for yourself. Im not doing a homework assignment for you to prove that Apple fleeces it's customers. Especially in regards to a discussion on how Apple quality has dropped so significantly over the past 8 years.
        carterehsmith 9y ago
        >> Just go spec it out for yourself. I do it like once a month, and this "3-4x" claim is strictly false. If you spec MBP versus Dell or HP or Lenovo or whatever with the same parts, Apple may be anything between 5%-30% more, nowhere near 300%-400% that you claim.
        ProAm 9y ago
        Ive been following Apple for 10+ years and Im not wrong. Am I exact? No, but close enough. They used to charge you $100 to write software for your own iPhone. But a semantical argument isnt the one Im making.
        carterehsmith 9y ago
        >> Im not wrong. Sure thing. Long as you remember to show us the laptop 3-4x cheaper than the equivalent MBP.

ProAm is probably referring to desktops. I don't feel it's hard to get something equivalent or very near equivalent in power to a Mac Pro and spending 3x less. When it comes to laptops, the Apple tax is only about 2x more unless you compare it to an MS Surface Laptop which is about equal in price and quality.

ProAm 9y ago
Yes I was mainly referring to desktop and laptops. Phones were mostly in the 2x range for a longtime until other companies began to push their 'flagship' phones at high prices as well. I've never been an Apple person but I used to recommend Apple to my non-technical friends and family and say, 'Your going to pay a bit more but not have to worry about it not working, getting viruses (back when this was an issue), etc...' but I don't feel that way anymore.
- carterehsmith 9y ago
  Sure, so where is this 3-4x coming from? We would all love to have something comparable to MBP for 1/4 the price, but.. where is it?
  - nl 9y ago
    Xiaomi Mi Air 12, 13 and 15.
    - carterehsmith 9y ago
      Hmm that does not seem to be fighting the MBP... more like fighting the $1000-$1300 HPs, Dells, and so on E.g. http://www.techradar.com/reviews/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro/2 http://www.techradar.com/reviews/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro/2
      - nl 9y ago
        Well it’s a windows laptop, so yes they say what else you can get that is directly comparable. It’s the price of the midrange Windows laptops, but the specs and build quality of the MacBooks. The downside is Windows of course. But it is supposed to work pretty well under Linux.
        carterehsmith 9y ago
        >> It’s the price of the midrange Windows laptops, but the specs and build quality of the MacBooks. "specs and build quality of the MacBooks"? Great, can we see that mythical laptop that is 3-4x cheaper than equivalently-specced MBP or not? Url? Or is it just empty talk?
        nl 9y ago
        Why the hostility? I think it’s more like 2.5 to 3 times cheaper than 3 to 4, but it’s pretty easy to find. A$1400: https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-i7-quad-core-16gb-ram-256gb-ssd-hard-disk-windows10-mx150-2gb_p6220537.html?prm=1.5.1 https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-.... Vs A$3500: https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MPTR2X/A&step=config# https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MP... (with weaker CPU and GPU)
        stephenr 9y ago
        You know those are drastically different displays right?
        nl 9y ago
        Yes. It also has a much better selection of ports than a MacBook. It also doesn’t come with OSX. Pretty sure you can find some other differences too. I’m sure for some people the screen is a deal breaker. Others won’t care.
        9y ago
  - ProAm 9y ago
    You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Especially for what most Mac users do with their PC/laptops. Apple has always extraordinarily overcharged/taken advantage of their customers. Of course this is my opinion, and like I said I even used to recommend them to less than technical folks because it used to 'just work'.
    - carterehsmith 9y ago
      >> You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Ok please show us the laptop that is 1/4 of the price of the same-specs MBP. Or how one could build one.
      - ProAm 9y ago
        Just go spec it out for yourself. Im not doing a homework assignment for you to prove that Apple fleeces it's customers. Especially in regards to a discussion on how Apple quality has dropped so significantly over the past 8 years.
        carterehsmith 9y ago
        >> Just go spec it out for yourself. I do it like once a month, and this "3-4x" claim is strictly false. If you spec MBP versus Dell or HP or Lenovo or whatever with the same parts, Apple may be anything between 5%-30% more, nowhere near 300%-400% that you claim.
        ProAm 9y ago
        Ive been following Apple for 10+ years and Im not wrong. Am I exact? No, but close enough. They used to charge you $100 to write software for your own iPhone. But a semantical argument isnt the one Im making.
        carterehsmith 9y ago
        >> Im not wrong. Sure thing. Long as you remember to show us the laptop 3-4x cheaper than the equivalent MBP.