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The elephant in the room is, of course, Apple's obsession with thinness which makes it near impossible these days to get a usable laptop because PC makers total

by chx 9y ago

The elephant in the room is, of course, Apple's obsession with thinness which makes it near impossible these days to get a usable laptop because PC makers totally copied Apple alas. It also gave us nonreplaceable batteries and any successful lawsuit that comes out of it is totally justified. No one asked for this. Lighter, somewhat, yes but thin to the point where batteries are barely functional? Samsung's colossal Note failure is just another symptom of this. I had a Panasonic CF-Y5, a 14" 1.5kg laptop ten years ago and somehow it managed to be that light without this thinness craziness.

on_and_off 9y ago
Is it also why we have these awful keyboards on the new mbp ? I feel them absolutely awful to type on (I have never complained about a keyboard before but I just can't stand this one), although it is subjective, some people are fine with it. What is unquestionably bad though is that you need to replace the whole keyboard if one key has an issue (and apparently it happens a lot). I know several people for which Apple had to reset the whole laptop after a keyboard issue, but I can't make sense of it.
- yodsanklai 9y ago
  > I feel them absolutely awful to type on (I have never complained about a keyboard before but I just can't stand this one), although it is subjective, some people are fine with it. I don't know why some people hate these keyboards. I don't really have a strong opinion about them. They feel slightly different and noisier but I get identical typing speed results compared to the previous one.
yodsanklai 9y ago
I totally agree with you. I'd rather have a slightly bigger laptop with the ability to replace the battery easily. I slightly disagree with this though: > but thin to the point where batteries are barely functional? My previous MBP (mid-2014) was still very usable after 3 years of intensive use. Overall, I can't say I suffered from not being able to change the battery easily. (I passed the problem to the next owner...).
sand500 9y ago
>makes it near impossible these days to get a usable laptop because PC makers totally copied Apple alas. I'd say that is only the Ultrabook market which goes for super thin. There are plenty of other laptops out there that are thick enough to even have a CD drive. On top of that there are the gaming laptops which are even thicker.
crazygringo 9y ago
> Apple's obsession with thinness You mean the obsession customers have with buying thin products, which Apple is simply satisfying, and extremely well, judging from sales. > No one asked for this. Yes actually, I asked for this, like many other customers who bought much thinner Apple products instead of thicker, bulkier, heavier competing products.
abawany 9y ago
Not all laptops are thus compromised. My HP Elite X2 G1 1012 matches the Surface physical attributes and yet has a user-replaceable battery (and screen, and m.2 SSD.)

by chx 9y ago

on_and_off 9y ago

Is it also why we have these awful keyboards on the new mbp ? I feel them absolutely awful to type on (I have never complained about a keyboard before but I just can't stand this one), although it is subjective, some people are fine with it. What is unquestionably bad though is that you need to replace the whole keyboard if one key has an issue (and apparently it happens a lot). I know several people for which Apple had to reset the whole laptop after a keyboard issue, but I can't make sense of it.

yodsanklai 9y ago
> I feel them absolutely awful to type on (I have never complained about a keyboard before but I just can't stand this one), although it is subjective, some people are fine with it. I don't know why some people hate these keyboards. I don't really have a strong opinion about them. They feel slightly different and noisier but I get identical typing speed results compared to the previous one.

yodsanklai 9y ago

I totally agree with you. I'd rather have a slightly bigger laptop with the ability to replace the battery easily. I slightly disagree with this though: > but thin to the point where batteries are barely functional? My previous MBP (mid-2014) was still very usable after 3 years of intensive use. Overall, I can't say I suffered from not being able to change the battery easily. (I passed the problem to the next owner...).

sand500 9y ago

>makes it near impossible these days to get a usable laptop because PC makers totally copied Apple alas. I'd say that is only the Ultrabook market which goes for super thin. There are plenty of other laptops out there that are thick enough to even have a CD drive. On top of that there are the gaming laptops which are even thicker.

crazygringo 9y ago

> Apple's obsession with thinness You mean the obsession customers have with buying thin products, which Apple is simply satisfying, and extremely well, judging from sales. > No one asked for this. Yes actually, I asked for this, like many other customers who bought much thinner Apple products instead of thicker, bulkier, heavier competing products.

abawany 9y ago

Not all laptops are thus compromised. My HP Elite X2 G1 1012 matches the Surface physical attributes and yet has a user-replaceable battery (and screen, and m.2 SSD.)