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If they don't like computer science why do you think they'd want to advance a career related to computer science? Maybe speaking it out loud is helping them mov

If they don't like computer science why do you think they'd want to advance a career related to computer science? Maybe speaking it out loud is helping them move towards fulfillment of what they'd really like. People are allowed to regret their career choices in front of people if they want to. It may have consequences, but that's their business.

greenrd 9y ago
The point is, these consequences can include everything up to and including termination, and a resultant difficulty in finding a subsequent job that pays as well. The young woman probably didn't think of that when she blurted that out. Or maybe she has a trust fund to fall back on, but the people around her may not, and she wasn't setting a good example.
- jupiter90000 9y ago
  I get it. If she doesn't like computer science though, maybe the termination will be part of her process to finding something she enjoys. Edit: my point is she doesn't have to pretend if she chooses not to. Who cares if that's what she chooses to do. I guess maybe the concern is she was oblivious to the impact of what she said.
aetherson 9y ago
If she wants to get out of engineering, that's something she can do at any point, on her own recognizance. She doesn't need my help to do it. But, on the other hand, if she does decide she wants to continue as an engineer in our company, she's now added a kind of negative datapoint to my evaluation of her suitability, and for something that's not entirely within her control -- it's partly within mine. It's just a bad idea for her to do this. It's not the only data point I have, and I tend to think that she'll actually do fine in engineering if she decides to continue down this path. But my job isn't to make her dreams come true, it's to find the people to make the best investments of the company's money in personnel. Let's give a not-entirely-hypothetical. Let's say that Alice is the name of the engineer who expressed regrets about going into engineering (not her real name, to be clear), and Betty is the name of another, very similar engineer, who has expressed no regrets. A tech lead spot is opening up in Alice and Betty's field. It's likely to be the only such spot in the near term. Alice and Betty are both seemingly good candidates for the job. But I have to be worried that whichever one I don't pick for the role will feel that they have no career path at our company, and quit. Now, I could pick Alice. But I know that at least at one point in the past, Alice was regretting becoming an engineer. It sure would suck if I pick Alice, Betty quits, and then six months later Alice pursues her dream to go into business. Whereas if I pick Betty, and then Alice quits, well, maybe Alice was going to get out of engineering anyway. I feel that I have to give some weight to this information I have about Alice. It's not that I dislike her or feel that she's weak for expressing doubts. It's that she's given me a reason to doubt that she'll be here long term, and if I'm going to invest a limited resource in her versus her peers, I want to do so with the most assurance possible that she'll be here long enough to make that investment worthwhile. Ask yourself if it would be fair to Betty for me to pretend I didn't know this about Alice.
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  Thank you for this explanation. I was an excellent student. I also spent a lot of years as a homemaker. Such thought processes often aren't obvious to me and they often aren't explained well, making it easy for people to feel like "the boss is playing favorites" or whatever, which I really don't like to do personally but I am often not equipped to argue it if other people do it.
- jupiter90000 9y ago
  It made sense how you thought of what she said. If she doesn't like computer science, maybe you passing her for a promotion would help motivate her career change. So doing what you are saying may actually be helping her dreams come true in a roundabout way. Edit: Why should she put on an act for the sake of money/career/boss if she doesn't want to? Maybe the argument is she didn't know better (which may be true).

greenrd 9y ago

The point is, these consequences can include everything up to and including termination, and a resultant difficulty in finding a subsequent job that pays as well. The young woman probably didn't think of that when she blurted that out. Or maybe she has a trust fund to fall back on, but the people around her may not, and she wasn't setting a good example.

jupiter90000 9y ago
I get it. If she doesn't like computer science though, maybe the termination will be part of her process to finding something she enjoys. Edit: my point is she doesn't have to pretend if she chooses not to. Who cares if that's what she chooses to do. I guess maybe the concern is she was oblivious to the impact of what she said.

aetherson 9y ago

If she wants to get out of engineering, that's something she can do at any point, on her own recognizance. She doesn't need my help to do it. But, on the other hand, if she does decide she wants to continue as an engineer in our company, she's now added a kind of negative datapoint to my evaluation of her suitability, and for something that's not entirely within her control -- it's partly within mine. It's just a bad idea for her to do this. It's not the only data point I have, and I tend to think that she'll actually do fine in engineering if she decides to continue down this path. But my job isn't to make her dreams come true, it's to find the people to make the best investments of the company's money in personnel. Let's give a not-entirely-hypothetical. Let's say that Alice is the name of the engineer who expressed regrets about going into engineering (not her real name, to be clear), and Betty is the name of another, very similar engineer, who has expressed no regrets. A tech lead spot is opening up in Alice and Betty's field. It's likely to be the only such spot in the near term. Alice and Betty are both seemingly good candidates for the job. But I have to be worried that whichever one I don't pick for the role will feel that they have no career path at our company, and quit. Now, I could pick Alice. But I know that at least at one point in the past, Alice was regretting becoming an engineer. It sure would suck if I pick Alice, Betty quits, and then six months later Alice pursues her dream to go into business. Whereas if I pick Betty, and then Alice quits, well, maybe Alice was going to get out of engineering anyway. I feel that I have to give some weight to this information I have about Alice. It's not that I dislike her or feel that she's weak for expressing doubts. It's that she's given me a reason to doubt that she'll be here long term, and if I'm going to invest a limited resource in her versus her peers, I want to do so with the most assurance possible that she'll be here long enough to make that investment worthwhile. Ask yourself if it would be fair to Betty for me to pretend I didn't know this about Alice.

DoreenMichele 9y ago
Thank you for this explanation. I was an excellent student. I also spent a lot of years as a homemaker. Such thought processes often aren't obvious to me and they often aren't explained well, making it easy for people to feel like "the boss is playing favorites" or whatever, which I really don't like to do personally but I am often not equipped to argue it if other people do it.
jupiter90000 9y ago
It made sense how you thought of what she said. If she doesn't like computer science, maybe you passing her for a promotion would help motivate her career change. So doing what you are saying may actually be helping her dreams come true in a roundabout way. Edit: Why should she put on an act for the sake of money/career/boss if she doesn't want to? Maybe the argument is she didn't know better (which may be true).