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Java is practically dead in the water now. Oracle will be lucky if their database product doesn't get badly damaged. The best developers at Sun were already le

by ig1 16y ago

Java is practically dead in the water now. Oracle will be lucky if their database product doesn't get badly damaged. The best developers at Sun were already leaving, with this ? - if I was a recruiter I'd be outside their offices on monday handing out flyers. Oracle has committed seppuku. They simply won't be able to hire good developers any more, they've horribly tainted their brand. For the next 3-5 years while the lawsuit goes on they're going to be the SCO of the developer world. No decent developer is going to want to touch them. Any time one of their developers introduces themselves as "I work as a developer for Oracle" to another developer at a party, conference, meetup etc. what do you think the topic of conversation is going to be ? Once software development companies are no-longer able to hire the best developers there's only one direction for the company to go in.

swilliams 16y ago
I dunno, there was already a stereotype (maybe even of stigma) of working at Oracle. I've always held the notion that they cared more about selling their products than developing them. It's not like super talented hackers were beating down the door to work there already (with maybe the exception of their core database team).
gamble 16y ago
If Oracle was worried about looking evil, they've had thirty years to come to their senses. If their employees are concerned about working for an evil company, they haven't been paying attention.
diego_moita 16y ago
Bad reputations don't hurt anyone in this business. Up until the 90's no other company had a bully reputation as bad as IBM (e.g.: their Hollerith machines were used by Hitler to control who was going to the gas chambers). But still, no other company in the world has attracted so many bright minds (Jon Von Neuman, John Backus, Ted Cobb, etc), got so many Nobel prizes or made so many important technological achievements.
- ig1 16y ago
  In the past IBM, AT&T Labs, and now Google all had the huge advantages in being at the cutting edge of research which allowed them to attract talent. If you want to see a company dying because it can't hire good developers because of it's reputation look at Nokia.

by ig1 16y ago

swilliams 16y ago

I dunno, there was already a stereotype (maybe even of stigma) of working at Oracle. I've always held the notion that they cared more about selling their products than developing them. It's not like super talented hackers were beating down the door to work there already (with maybe the exception of their core database team).

gamble 16y ago

If Oracle was worried about looking evil, they've had thirty years to come to their senses. If their employees are concerned about working for an evil company, they haven't been paying attention.

diego_moita 16y ago

Bad reputations don't hurt anyone in this business. Up until the 90's no other company had a bully reputation as bad as IBM (e.g.: their Hollerith machines were used by Hitler to control who was going to the gas chambers). But still, no other company in the world has attracted so many bright minds (Jon Von Neuman, John Backus, Ted Cobb, etc), got so many Nobel prizes or made so many important technological achievements.

ig1 16y ago
In the past IBM, AT&T Labs, and now Google all had the huge advantages in being at the cutting edge of research which allowed them to attract talent. If you want to see a company dying because it can't hire good developers because of it's reputation look at Nokia.