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>This is not about it being "morally wrong for the secretary in a medical office to be paid less" than the physician owner. It's about the secretary not getting

>This is not about it being "morally wrong for the secretary in a medical office to be paid less" than the physician owner. It's about the secretary not getting appropriate wages in the first place. Are you suggesting instituting wage price controls? Are you suggesting physicians, nationwide, are paying below market rates? Isn't it a contradiction to say it's below market rate when the market determined that the wage being paid is fair? What sectors of business pay below poverty rates? Has the standard of living been adjusted upwards over the last 20-30 years, with the development of technology, and widely available affordable energy? >you might want to take a closer look at what poverty is actually like in America. Teen/single mother pregnancy is the best predictor of poverty. What better example of a bad decision than to have sexual intercourse out of wedlock resulting in pregnancy? It was voluntary, yet it was a decision that can change the rest of her life for the worse. Is single mother pregnancy caused by people with bad morals?

eevilspock 9y ago
> Isn't it a contradiction to say it's below market rate when the market determined that the wage being paid is fair? Circular logic / begging the question. The crux of the debate is whether the free-market is a good arbiter of fairness. > Teen/single mother pregnancy is the best predictor of poverty. Poverty is the best predictor of teen/single mother pregnancy. Circumstances of birth are the best predictor of poverty.
- assblaster 9y ago
  The free market is better at figuring out fairness than a central government. Supply and demand, by its nature, determines what is fair to be paid. If it wasn't fair, people wouldn't work the job. If it was more than fair, then more people would enter the job pool, which will cause an equilibrium market rate to be obtained. Unfortunately, the central government gets itself into market regulation constantly and distorts the free market. Poverty doesn't force people into single motherhood.
  - shameshame 9y ago
    "If it wasn't fair, people wouldn't work the job." This is demonstrably not true. People will work jobs that pay less than their cost of living hoping somehow to get by. Your argument seems to assume sufficient demand for an individual's skill/labor such that they have power in the marketplace to do as they please.

eevilspock 9y ago

> Isn't it a contradiction to say it's below market rate when the market determined that the wage being paid is fair? Circular logic / begging the question. The crux of the debate is whether the free-market is a good arbiter of fairness. > Teen/single mother pregnancy is the best predictor of poverty. Poverty is the best predictor of teen/single mother pregnancy. Circumstances of birth are the best predictor of poverty.

assblaster 9y ago
The free market is better at figuring out fairness than a central government. Supply and demand, by its nature, determines what is fair to be paid. If it wasn't fair, people wouldn't work the job. If it was more than fair, then more people would enter the job pool, which will cause an equilibrium market rate to be obtained. Unfortunately, the central government gets itself into market regulation constantly and distorts the free market. Poverty doesn't force people into single motherhood.
- shameshame 9y ago
  "If it wasn't fair, people wouldn't work the job." This is demonstrably not true. People will work jobs that pay less than their cost of living hoping somehow to get by. Your argument seems to assume sufficient demand for an individual's skill/labor such that they have power in the marketplace to do as they please.