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Seat up when person behind is eating is normal, every airline steward I've flown on tells the person in front to do when meals are served for ~20mins, no biggie

Seat up when person behind is eating is normal, every airline steward I've flown on tells the person in front to do when meals are served for ~20mins, no biggie, a lot of airlines will make your blacklist by the sounds of up. But don't mistake me for someone who doesn't get your first point, the entitlement attitude of the laptop hipsters who think they purchased a coworker space 35000ft in the air makes me a laugh, especially the jerks that submit articles to NY times with subtitles 'its never okay to recline in economy', buy business if you need/desire to work otherwise my sleep is more important imo and that recline button is mine.

Tomte 9y ago
I'm not working, I'm trying to sit without too much pain. But let#s turn it around: if you need to recline in order to sleep, buy first class. Normal people can sleep sitting upright.
- sitepodmatt 9y ago
  I guess I'm not normal. I wonder why they added that button in such case?
  - Tomte 9y ago
    They added it (a) before the seat distance was that low and (b) for use in cases where you don't hurt your neighbor. I'm not against reclining per se, I'm against reclining when you're physically hurting somebody. That's anti-social behaviour. And I know that people can be irrational "on my side", as well. I just came back today from my Christmas vacation in an A320. The lady across the aisle was telling the young men in front of her to immediately put his seat upright. In a not-too-friendly voice. It was obvious that the seat was already upright, it was in exactly the same position as the neighboring seats which were empty. After lots of button pushing and trying to comply the lady acted as if she was right and the young man had finally put his seat upright. That was a stupid, vicious woman.
    - sitepodmatt 9y ago
      Neither (a) or (b) is true, flying between Europe and Asia we pretty much get all the new planes from FinnAir A350s, to completely refurbed 777 (with brand new slimline seats as part of the 10 across densitification rollouts), to dreamliner 787s on Qatar, Oman and Norweigan (some are a few years old but many recently delivered), plus new smelling A321neos regionally. Occasionally we see an old A380 after a refurb too. All seats have the recline button. Never heard the hurt your neighbor argument - but I can't imagine them allowing you to fly if it going be mandated seat in front is upright to prevent medical injury - that would be a flight risk in the event of evacuation. You should take these arguments to FAA and airline though if you're serious rather than some unwritten code of conduct you expect the guy in front to follow when the person in front of him probably won't. I had one incident though where the guy sat next to me was huge and naturally overflowing into my seat, I was moved to an exit seat prior to take over, I still submitted a complaint as he should been assign two seats (weather that's free if medical or covered by the airline or his pocket I don't care - not my problem). I worry that scenario happening again, but I won't be worrying about recline, speak to the airline about your specific requirements as they not going to embraced by the travelling public - upright for several hours - no thanks. Note to very tall people: KLM and FinnAir have economy comfort, this isn't premium economy, same poor seat width, but 3" more legroom. Emirates are also looking at dividing their economy class in multiple classes presumably some with more legroom. Extra legroom seats can be booked on SingaporeAir, Malaysia, Emirates, and Oman air^. You don't need Y+ if you just want more legroom. These seats are generally only $50-$100 more per segment. ^ Not exhaustive
- tostitos1979 9y ago
  Lets turn it around. If I have my kid on the seat behind you (paid full price for kids over 2 .. they can do what they want) and they kick your seat for the entire duration of the flight, you should have bought your seat and the one behind you if YOU did not want to be in that situation :)
  - Tomte 9y ago
    And if you recline I will politely ask you to put it back, because it hurts. And if you decline I will kick your seat arythmically until either you do or the cabin crew stops your nonsense.
    - sitepodmatt 9y ago
      And what happens if the person in front of the person in front has reclined, he has worst of both worlds, and now it's late, cabin lights are off, and the person has been on another flight for 12hrs prior to connecting. When you also recline you slide you legs under the seat in front, perhaps this can mitigate the pain? Is it pain or just more uncomfortable? What height are you I'm 179cm I managed, and I recline, and I dont have a problem when the person in front reclines. My friend is 190cm and he has no problem, although of course he'd rather people didn't recline. Any time someone has complained about the person in front reclining the cabin crew have always explained it is in there right to do so? I think you might just not be suited to traveling in economy if you need to demand the person doesn't recline, you've made his/her journey significantly worse by choosing a chair incompatible with your frame - yes its suck if your tall.

Tomte 9y ago

I'm not working, I'm trying to sit without too much pain. But let#s turn it around: if you need to recline in order to sleep, buy first class. Normal people can sleep sitting upright.

sitepodmatt 9y ago
I guess I'm not normal. I wonder why they added that button in such case?
- Tomte 9y ago
  They added it (a) before the seat distance was that low and (b) for use in cases where you don't hurt your neighbor. I'm not against reclining per se, I'm against reclining when you're physically hurting somebody. That's anti-social behaviour. And I know that people can be irrational "on my side", as well. I just came back today from my Christmas vacation in an A320. The lady across the aisle was telling the young men in front of her to immediately put his seat upright. In a not-too-friendly voice. It was obvious that the seat was already upright, it was in exactly the same position as the neighboring seats which were empty. After lots of button pushing and trying to comply the lady acted as if she was right and the young man had finally put his seat upright. That was a stupid, vicious woman.
  - sitepodmatt 9y ago
    Neither (a) or (b) is true, flying between Europe and Asia we pretty much get all the new planes from FinnAir A350s, to completely refurbed 777 (with brand new slimline seats as part of the 10 across densitification rollouts), to dreamliner 787s on Qatar, Oman and Norweigan (some are a few years old but many recently delivered), plus new smelling A321neos regionally. Occasionally we see an old A380 after a refurb too. All seats have the recline button. Never heard the hurt your neighbor argument - but I can't imagine them allowing you to fly if it going be mandated seat in front is upright to prevent medical injury - that would be a flight risk in the event of evacuation. You should take these arguments to FAA and airline though if you're serious rather than some unwritten code of conduct you expect the guy in front to follow when the person in front of him probably won't. I had one incident though where the guy sat next to me was huge and naturally overflowing into my seat, I was moved to an exit seat prior to take over, I still submitted a complaint as he should been assign two seats (weather that's free if medical or covered by the airline or his pocket I don't care - not my problem). I worry that scenario happening again, but I won't be worrying about recline, speak to the airline about your specific requirements as they not going to embraced by the travelling public - upright for several hours - no thanks. Note to very tall people: KLM and FinnAir have economy comfort, this isn't premium economy, same poor seat width, but 3" more legroom. Emirates are also looking at dividing their economy class in multiple classes presumably some with more legroom. Extra legroom seats can be booked on SingaporeAir, Malaysia, Emirates, and Oman air^. You don't need Y+ if you just want more legroom. These seats are generally only $50-$100 more per segment. ^ Not exhaustive
tostitos1979 9y ago
Lets turn it around. If I have my kid on the seat behind you (paid full price for kids over 2 .. they can do what they want) and they kick your seat for the entire duration of the flight, you should have bought your seat and the one behind you if YOU did not want to be in that situation :)
- Tomte 9y ago
  And if you recline I will politely ask you to put it back, because it hurts. And if you decline I will kick your seat arythmically until either you do or the cabin crew stops your nonsense.
  - sitepodmatt 9y ago
    And what happens if the person in front of the person in front has reclined, he has worst of both worlds, and now it's late, cabin lights are off, and the person has been on another flight for 12hrs prior to connecting. When you also recline you slide you legs under the seat in front, perhaps this can mitigate the pain? Is it pain or just more uncomfortable? What height are you I'm 179cm I managed, and I recline, and I dont have a problem when the person in front reclines. My friend is 190cm and he has no problem, although of course he'd rather people didn't recline. Any time someone has complained about the person in front reclining the cabin crew have always explained it is in there right to do so? I think you might just not be suited to traveling in economy if you need to demand the person doesn't recline, you've made his/her journey significantly worse by choosing a chair incompatible with your frame - yes its suck if your tall.