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I think you're right to a point but there is a thing called etiquette. And we should respect that and not infringe on another person's enjoyment when inappropri

I think you're right to a point but there is a thing called etiquette. And we should respect that and not infringe on another person's enjoyment when inappropriate to do so. In terms of longer flights I find it ridiculous when people fully recline the second they are allowed to after takeoff. A small recline (20% for instance) is fine as it doesn't infringe on the person behind them and adds a sometimes necessary level of comfort that a fully upright seat does not. Fully reclining right after takeoff is rude and a breach of etiquette I believe. The main reason why, on a longer flight that is, is because drinks and food are served pretty quickly after the aircraft is stable. This means the person behind you requires a tray for a time to consume their beverage and meal. Etiquette says you should allow the person behind you to take advantage of this space during this time. Even if you choose not to partake in this event, you should respect the person's behind you who may in fact need this space to enjoy (as much as they can!) their meal with ample space. After the meal's waste have been collected is when I find it acceptable to go back all the way. This is often the time people begin to nap or sleep and the space is better used for this purpose. Some common courtesy, compassion and politeness goes a long way in making a better, more enjoyable place for everyone.

aptwebapps 9y ago
No recline when food is being served or when otherwise instructed by the crew, full recline the rest of the time. None of this 20% nonsense. But I'm biased because I have a lower back problem, and I need all the recline I can get in economy on longer flights.
mylons 9y ago
you having to work on an airplane is your problem. if you HAVE to work on an airplane, ensure you can do so by getting a business class seat or better. by failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail.
- always_good 9y ago
  There's such little etiquette in airports and airplanes that it's a good opportunity to vent a little rage at everyone else. I think it's healthy. Like Purge Day in that movie "The Purge". For example, how everyone stands up immediately as soon as the plane lands. Someone 5 rows back managing to depart before you because you remained seated until it's your row's turn, but they have one of those oversized carry-ons and can't even get it down. So they essentially cut in front of you just to make you wait on them. Don't want anyone to be any less miserable than I am while traveling. It would unfairly deprive them of a great character-building experience.
  - palimpsests 9y ago
    Alternatively, the amount of stress and tension amongst the collective in airports and airplanes is such that I think it's a great opportunity to practice being more compassionate and human with each other, versus "venting rage at everyone else" - to let someone else go first in line, to clean up after yourself and maybe the past couple of other people who used the airplane lavatory before you, to take a couple of breaths and slow down before ripping into the airline counter agent for some real major or minor inconvenience. I completely agree that learning how to healthily express anger is extremely important, but I don't think we need to seed more misery amongst each other than what is happening by default already.
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totalZero 9y ago
etiquette (n): conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion. From the article, "The accepted notion is that such territory belongs to the person seated in front." Applying this convention/expectation along with our definition, etiquette indicates that the leaner may continue to lean back. If anything, etiquette dictates that the person seated behind accommodate the leaner peacefully. And that the person behind him do the same. I personally have always found it possible to use my tray, regardless of the recline of the individual in front of me. Sure, there's less space, but trays and seat-backs are very precisely designed to be functional in cramped simultaneous usage. The difference in our opinions, I propose, is not whether etiquette matters. It's whether the impolite person is the one with the knees in the seatback, or the one leaning all the way back!

aptwebapps 9y ago

No recline when food is being served or when otherwise instructed by the crew, full recline the rest of the time. None of this 20% nonsense. But I'm biased because I have a lower back problem, and I need all the recline I can get in economy on longer flights.

mylons 9y ago

you having to work on an airplane is your problem. if you HAVE to work on an airplane, ensure you can do so by getting a business class seat or better. by failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail.

always_good 9y ago
There's such little etiquette in airports and airplanes that it's a good opportunity to vent a little rage at everyone else. I think it's healthy. Like Purge Day in that movie "The Purge". For example, how everyone stands up immediately as soon as the plane lands. Someone 5 rows back managing to depart before you because you remained seated until it's your row's turn, but they have one of those oversized carry-ons and can't even get it down. So they essentially cut in front of you just to make you wait on them. Don't want anyone to be any less miserable than I am while traveling. It would unfairly deprive them of a great character-building experience.
- palimpsests 9y ago
  Alternatively, the amount of stress and tension amongst the collective in airports and airplanes is such that I think it's a great opportunity to practice being more compassionate and human with each other, versus "venting rage at everyone else" - to let someone else go first in line, to clean up after yourself and maybe the past couple of other people who used the airplane lavatory before you, to take a couple of breaths and slow down before ripping into the airline counter agent for some real major or minor inconvenience. I completely agree that learning how to healthily express anger is extremely important, but I don't think we need to seed more misery amongst each other than what is happening by default already.
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totalZero 9y ago

etiquette (n): conventional requirements as to social behavior; proprieties of conduct as established in any class or community or for any occasion. From the article, "The accepted notion is that such territory belongs to the person seated in front." Applying this convention/expectation along with our definition, etiquette indicates that the leaner may continue to lean back. If anything, etiquette dictates that the person seated behind accommodate the leaner peacefully. And that the person behind him do the same. I personally have always found it possible to use my tray, regardless of the recline of the individual in front of me. Sure, there's less space, but trays and seat-backs are very precisely designed to be functional in cramped simultaneous usage. The difference in our opinions, I propose, is not whether etiquette matters. It's whether the impolite person is the one with the knees in the seatback, or the one leaning all the way back!