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When it's their whole livelihood, all they've ever known, and their families depend on it? You can hardly blame them. We need to give people other options. A

When it's their whole livelihood, all they've ever known, and their families depend on it? You can hardly blame them. We need to give people other options. A lot of people who work these sorts of jobs don't have the savings that would allow them to retrain. If they lose their jobs, their families are in deep, deep trouble. This is where something like a basic income comes in. It allows workers a floor in the case their jobs get automated away. Gives them a chance to pick themselves up and find something else to do with themselves. Right now, they don't have that, so they -- understandably -- fight tooth and nail against being automated away (to everybody's detriment).

peoplewindow 9y ago
They should have savings. Tube drivers in London earn a lot of money: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/9038359/London-held-to-ransom-as-Tube-driver-paid-61218-a-year.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transpo... It's not a very skilled job.
- Skye 9y ago
  It seemed that way, then I got a train driving simulator. Buy a train simulator (Train Sim 2018 is what I have) and try to drive a train to the timetable. Then play with the conditions (raining, autumn, midnight). Then realise that you need to do this without the map at the bottom of the screen. Then try to understand all the rules and regulations that a train driving simulator doesn't simulate, like how to walk down the track safely (old training videos are on YouTube are very interesting). Also, in real life, train drivers are responsible for the safety of the passengers on the train, and also have to deal with the aftermath if anyone ends up being in front of the train. If I was a train driver, I would like to be paid enough to cover all of that!
- dbingham 9y ago
  The average tube driver's pay is ~42,000 pounds. That converts to $56,000 a year. That's not a very high income. That's solidly lower middle class depending on where you're living and whether you're single or the primary wage earner for your family. London is one of the highest cost of living areas in the world. A family living in London with that income -- even if the second parent is also working -- is unlikely to have any savings. Unless the second family member has a high income information, tech, or finance job.
pzone 9y ago
How about this: stop hiring new conductors and allow the ones currently working to continue as long as their union rules require.

peoplewindow 9y ago

They should have savings. Tube drivers in London earn a lot of money: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/9038359/London-held-to-ransom-as-Tube-driver-paid-61218-a-year.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transpo... It's not a very skilled job.

Skye 9y ago
It seemed that way, then I got a train driving simulator. Buy a train simulator (Train Sim 2018 is what I have) and try to drive a train to the timetable. Then play with the conditions (raining, autumn, midnight). Then realise that you need to do this without the map at the bottom of the screen. Then try to understand all the rules and regulations that a train driving simulator doesn't simulate, like how to walk down the track safely (old training videos are on YouTube are very interesting). Also, in real life, train drivers are responsible for the safety of the passengers on the train, and also have to deal with the aftermath if anyone ends up being in front of the train. If I was a train driver, I would like to be paid enough to cover all of that!
dbingham 9y ago
The average tube driver's pay is ~42,000 pounds. That converts to $56,000 a year. That's not a very high income. That's solidly lower middle class depending on where you're living and whether you're single or the primary wage earner for your family. London is one of the highest cost of living areas in the world. A family living in London with that income -- even if the second parent is also working -- is unlikely to have any savings. Unless the second family member has a high income information, tech, or finance job.

pzone 9y ago

How about this: stop hiring new conductors and allow the ones currently working to continue as long as their union rules require.