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Furthermore, the correlation with Trump approval is totally fishy. These numbers don't rule out the possibility that men harass women at roughly the same rates

Furthermore, the correlation with Trump approval is totally fishy. These numbers don't rule out the possibility that men harass women at roughly the same rates regardless, and self-report differently due to their awareness of the issue.

sidlls 9y ago
Why is it fishy? I agree with the rest of your comment, but I think it's great to see an acknowledgement that there is a potential relationship to the brazenness of serial harrassers to the fact that someone on tape admitting to sexual assault (what Trump's "locker room talk" describes is not mere harassment) is President.
soyiuz 9y ago
It makes sense that those who condone harassment would support others who harass, or at least tend not to see other harassers in a negative light? Self-reporting bias would certainly have some effect, but not as much as brute similarity of worldviews regarding women, gender, sex, workplace etc. Like attracts like. Nothing fishy about that.
- whatok 9y ago
  Harvey Weinstein, several actors, tech people, politicians, etc who were serial harassers/assaulters were all outspoken on "women's rights" and feminist causes. It's very easy to think your own identical behavior is different from others and demonize people in turn. There are countless examples of this.
- sevensor 9y ago
  Well, sure, that argument sounds reasonable to me, but nothing in the study actually supports it. And that's why this reporting is particularly dangerous. It gives us a fact that's not really a fact, further dividing the polity and making political reconciliation more difficult. Us versus them sells papers, but it's bleeding the republic.
jhiska 9y ago
It's a politically-charged selection from the data and was quoted out of full context on a non-scientific, mass-appeal paper. A lot of things are possible. Maybe Trump supporters are more likely to harass or maybe they surprisingly aren't; the most dangerously effective misogynist is one that adopts the language of political correctness but not the beliefs. This requires further study.

sidlls 9y ago

Why is it fishy? I agree with the rest of your comment, but I think it's great to see an acknowledgement that there is a potential relationship to the brazenness of serial harrassers to the fact that someone on tape admitting to sexual assault (what Trump's "locker room talk" describes is not mere harassment) is President.

soyiuz 9y ago

It makes sense that those who condone harassment would support others who harass, or at least tend not to see other harassers in a negative light? Self-reporting bias would certainly have some effect, but not as much as brute similarity of worldviews regarding women, gender, sex, workplace etc. Like attracts like. Nothing fishy about that.

whatok 9y ago
Harvey Weinstein, several actors, tech people, politicians, etc who were serial harassers/assaulters were all outspoken on "women's rights" and feminist causes. It's very easy to think your own identical behavior is different from others and demonize people in turn. There are countless examples of this.
sevensor 9y ago
Well, sure, that argument sounds reasonable to me, but nothing in the study actually supports it. And that's why this reporting is particularly dangerous. It gives us a fact that's not really a fact, further dividing the polity and making political reconciliation more difficult. Us versus them sells papers, but it's bleeding the republic.

jhiska 9y ago

It's a politically-charged selection from the data and was quoted out of full context on a non-scientific, mass-appeal paper. A lot of things are possible. Maybe Trump supporters are more likely to harass or maybe they surprisingly aren't; the most dangerously effective misogynist is one that adopts the language of political correctness but not the beliefs. This requires further study.