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> Now if you're a programmer doing native code, I'd still recommend doing a hackintosh; Apple has no hardware for you, so you might as well roll your own. For d

> Now if you're a programmer doing native code, I'd still recommend doing a hackintosh; Apple has no hardware for you, so you might as well roll your own. For desktops, that is. What's wrong with the higher-end iMacs? (My nitpicks are no dealbreakers: Glossy screen, height is not easily adjustable, I've heard of thermal issues.) The iMac always seemed like the only line of Apple computers where updates are both frequent and well-received.

qubex 9y ago
Many of us like our screens and computers to be separate, and like having expandability in the latter.
nottorp 9y ago
Thermal issues, they're not designed for 100% CPU usage for long periods. They may throttle and not catch fire, but they're also noisy at 100% CPU because they have a laptop cooling system. Please don't tell me about the redesigned cooling system on the new iMac Pro unless it's been proven to remain silent while, for example, building Qt from source. Lack of storage. For my use case at least, which involves a lot of VMs and large source trees. Please don't suggest external storage boxes. Shit video card for taking gaming breaks ;) Or the monitor is too big for the video card, I'm not sure. Please don't suggest a separate gaming PC, considering how much Macs cost they'd better play games well.
- 1k2ka 9y ago
  Seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about programmers who write native code.
  - nottorp 9y ago
    Not at all, I'm describing my use case. And to add another example, a friend of mine is working on a 5K iMac (non pro) on a normal-ish desktop application. He has to use external storage for testing, because the application has to manage large document libraries that don't fit on his internal SSD. Also, he's always mentioning that the iMac gets noisy when he's doing a build.
- atanasb 9y ago
  Exactly the reasons I have a hackintosh at home: 1. It has a form factor that suits my needs for space and cooling 2. It has a 1080Ti which I can use for ML or Games (though primarily games) Though I have to say - your use case is a bit extreme. If you need excellent cooling, lots of internal storage space and ultra smooth gameplay then maybe a mac is not what you need?
  - nottorp 9y ago
    I'm a (sort of independent) software developer, and a Mac enables me to do software on the 3 major desktop platforms and both major mobile platforms on the same machine. It's a no brainer really. I can make it run on whatever the customer wants. And Apple used to have a system that fit the bill pretty well - the pre trashcan Mac Pro. If the promised expandable Mac Pro comes out and they don't make it unusable for one dumb reason or another, I may abandon hackintoshes.
- valuearb 9y ago
  5K iMacs and the iNac Pro are amazing for their price. You can’t build anything to drive 5K to such a nice monitor otherwise. And their fans/heat management is great for 99% of developers.

qubex 9y ago

Many of us like our screens and computers to be separate, and like having expandability in the latter.

nottorp 9y ago

Thermal issues, they're not designed for 100% CPU usage for long periods. They may throttle and not catch fire, but they're also noisy at 100% CPU because they have a laptop cooling system. Please don't tell me about the redesigned cooling system on the new iMac Pro unless it's been proven to remain silent while, for example, building Qt from source. Lack of storage. For my use case at least, which involves a lot of VMs and large source trees. Please don't suggest external storage boxes. Shit video card for taking gaming breaks ;) Or the monitor is too big for the video card, I'm not sure. Please don't suggest a separate gaming PC, considering how much Macs cost they'd better play games well.

1k2ka 9y ago
Seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about programmers who write native code.
- nottorp 9y ago
  Not at all, I'm describing my use case. And to add another example, a friend of mine is working on a 5K iMac (non pro) on a normal-ish desktop application. He has to use external storage for testing, because the application has to manage large document libraries that don't fit on his internal SSD. Also, he's always mentioning that the iMac gets noisy when he's doing a build.
atanasb 9y ago
Exactly the reasons I have a hackintosh at home: 1. It has a form factor that suits my needs for space and cooling 2. It has a 1080Ti which I can use for ML or Games (though primarily games) Though I have to say - your use case is a bit extreme. If you need excellent cooling, lots of internal storage space and ultra smooth gameplay then maybe a mac is not what you need?
- nottorp 9y ago
  I'm a (sort of independent) software developer, and a Mac enables me to do software on the 3 major desktop platforms and both major mobile platforms on the same machine. It's a no brainer really. I can make it run on whatever the customer wants. And Apple used to have a system that fit the bill pretty well - the pre trashcan Mac Pro. If the promised expandable Mac Pro comes out and they don't make it unusable for one dumb reason or another, I may abandon hackintoshes.
valuearb 9y ago
5K iMacs and the iNac Pro are amazing for their price. You can’t build anything to drive 5K to such a nice monitor otherwise. And their fans/heat management is great for 99% of developers.