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As a German-friendly Euro-enthusiast, I hope that we all get to build an awesome European military in the future. That will remove the stigma for German people

As a German-friendly Euro-enthusiast, I hope that we all get to build an awesome European military in the future. That will remove the stigma for German people maybe. Cause to be honest we need German forces, manufacturing and engineering if we want to be able to be a force that counts internationally.

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bobthechef 9y ago
Sorry to break it to you, but the idea of a European military is pure fantasy. The dream of a federalist Europe was dashed beyond repair in 2008 when the bizarre twilight zone of 1990-2008 ended and geopolitical realities shattered any illusion of the "end of history". Without a federal Europe, you have no chance of a federal military. We can perhaps have coalitions and military alliances like NATO, perhaps a European military forum, but nothing more. Even Germany wouldn't allow for it unless it was ultimately in line with German interests. FWIW, while Germany should be meeting its NATO quota (it isn't), a Germany that is too militarily powerful could be a concern (same goes for Russia). Historically, it has been bad for Europe (and don't give me the "different times" spiel). It's bad enough that Germany is the economic and political hegemon of Europe, engaging in neocolonial activity to its east (territories Piketty calls "foreign-owned countries") and ordering the continent into an ersatz unity i.e. a unity of soft German domination. The Prussian unification of Germany was a mistake, a European unification under German rule is an even worse mistake. It won't happen because the rest of Europe isn't exactly keen on playing the role of de facto vassals. It's high time that the stragglers finally noticed that while an EU based on free trade and sensible cooperation and discussion is useful, it will never approach anything resembling a federation. It is a silly, unproductive sentiment that is at worst a distraction.
- VeejayRampay 9y ago
  You had me at "sorry to break to you". You're a Euro-sceptic, good on you, but please spare me the condescension, it has no place in public discourse and I personally don't care for it.

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bobthechef 9y ago

Sorry to break it to you, but the idea of a European military is pure fantasy. The dream of a federalist Europe was dashed beyond repair in 2008 when the bizarre twilight zone of 1990-2008 ended and geopolitical realities shattered any illusion of the "end of history". Without a federal Europe, you have no chance of a federal military. We can perhaps have coalitions and military alliances like NATO, perhaps a European military forum, but nothing more. Even Germany wouldn't allow for it unless it was ultimately in line with German interests. FWIW, while Germany should be meeting its NATO quota (it isn't), a Germany that is too militarily powerful could be a concern (same goes for Russia). Historically, it has been bad for Europe (and don't give me the "different times" spiel). It's bad enough that Germany is the economic and political hegemon of Europe, engaging in neocolonial activity to its east (territories Piketty calls "foreign-owned countries") and ordering the continent into an ersatz unity i.e. a unity of soft German domination. The Prussian unification of Germany was a mistake, a European unification under German rule is an even worse mistake. It won't happen because the rest of Europe isn't exactly keen on playing the role of de facto vassals. It's high time that the stragglers finally noticed that while an EU based on free trade and sensible cooperation and discussion is useful, it will never approach anything resembling a federation. It is a silly, unproductive sentiment that is at worst a distraction.

VeejayRampay 9y ago
You had me at "sorry to break to you". You're a Euro-sceptic, good on you, but please spare me the condescension, it has no place in public discourse and I personally don't care for it.