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Your last statement makes no sense. I already started with the man in the mirror. That man is arthritis-free since day 20 of a water fast 6 years ago. That man

by aviv 9y ago

Your last statement makes no sense. I already started with the man in the mirror. That man is arthritis-free since day 20 of a water fast 6 years ago. That man plays soccer every weekend, after not being able to for many years. I made my own world a better place. Friends and loved ones who listened to my real-life non-troll opinion are better off today. Every single one. A coworker who dismissed it 2 years ago came around a few months ago and said he's no longer diabetic. Nope - the doctors did not find a special pill just for him. No new injection discovered. He checked himself in to a fasting clinic and walked out a new man. I'll consider toning it down in the future. It will still be downvoted and the only difference will be less discussion, which will result in less attention from those who need it most. Me? I don't actually enjoy this. I spent a couple hours refreshing HN today just for this when I could have been doing something else. I choose what threads to comment on very carefully because I know HN is very science-oriented, but people will die waiting for the pharma companies to admit this.

DoreenMichele 9y ago
Me? I don't actually enjoy this Then you are free to stop, no? I have one and only one person listening to what I have to say about my condition and getting better. I was you a few years ago. I have been doing this 17 years, not 6. Anyway. Probably just wasting your time and mine both. Ciao.
- aviv 9y ago
  I'm curious if you don't mind sharing, how long was your longest water fast?
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    I do mind sharing. You clearly have an agenda. You are desperate for validation. You found a thing that works for you, you want to think it will work for everyone and ... Sigh. I have barely engaged you and I feel tired. Think on this: I am a potential ally, doing similar things. You are actively picking a fight with me and driving me away. Ask yourself: Why is that?
    - aviv 9y ago
      No one is picking a fight with you. You come across as very paranoid. Again, you are very biased towards conventional medicine. If someone on an online forum spoke highly in favor of a new radiation therapy they underwent for some cancer, everyone would be cheering them and thanking them for the insight. No one would shut them down saying - "oh, that is anecdotal" -- "this worked for you, don't preach it as an end all be all" -- "so radiation is the new cult??". Classic.
      - DoreenMichele 9y ago
        Again, you are very biased towards conventional medicine. No, I am not. This statement is evidence you haven't listened to anything I have said.
      - tomhoward 9y ago
        As somebody who has been commenting about non-conventional health practices on HN for at least 6 years, and who has often paid close attention to Michele's comments on health topics, I can assure you that you're very wrong about her alleged bias toward conventional medicine, wrong to dismiss her suggestions on how to improve your style of communication, and wrong to display such an attitude about this or any other topic on HN. I understand the inclination to see big-pharma profiteering as an all-purpose explanation for the state of mainstream health beliefs and practices, and to be exasperated that more people don't open their minds and embrace the natural remedies that you and I might have found effective. I've felt the same way for much of 10+ years I've been on my own journey. But I've learned that there are very valid, important reasons for people to be cautious about fringe health practices and wary of the motives of those evangelizing them, so the onus is on us to respectful, patient, modest and prudent in the recommendations we make and the way we go about attempting to convince people of their merits. I've also come to learn that the need to evangelize on such practices is often more closely linked to a need to convince one's self of their efficacy, than to a sincere intent to do good by others. I've found that the more effective my own healing practices have actually turned out to be, and the more content I've become with my own health and life progress, the less I need to evangelize them to others. I think the same trend is evident in Michele's comments here on HN. None of this means we shouldn't try to help people where appropriate. But the way we go about trying to help people makes every bit of difference.

by aviv 9y ago

DoreenMichele 9y ago

Me? I don't actually enjoy this Then you are free to stop, no? I have one and only one person listening to what I have to say about my condition and getting better. I was you a few years ago. I have been doing this 17 years, not 6. Anyway. Probably just wasting your time and mine both. Ciao.

aviv 9y ago
I'm curious if you don't mind sharing, how long was your longest water fast?
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  I do mind sharing. You clearly have an agenda. You are desperate for validation. You found a thing that works for you, you want to think it will work for everyone and ... Sigh. I have barely engaged you and I feel tired. Think on this: I am a potential ally, doing similar things. You are actively picking a fight with me and driving me away. Ask yourself: Why is that?
  - aviv 9y ago
    No one is picking a fight with you. You come across as very paranoid. Again, you are very biased towards conventional medicine. If someone on an online forum spoke highly in favor of a new radiation therapy they underwent for some cancer, everyone would be cheering them and thanking them for the insight. No one would shut them down saying - "oh, that is anecdotal" -- "this worked for you, don't preach it as an end all be all" -- "so radiation is the new cult??". Classic.
    - DoreenMichele 9y ago
      Again, you are very biased towards conventional medicine. No, I am not. This statement is evidence you haven't listened to anything I have said.
    - tomhoward 9y ago
      As somebody who has been commenting about non-conventional health practices on HN for at least 6 years, and who has often paid close attention to Michele's comments on health topics, I can assure you that you're very wrong about her alleged bias toward conventional medicine, wrong to dismiss her suggestions on how to improve your style of communication, and wrong to display such an attitude about this or any other topic on HN. I understand the inclination to see big-pharma profiteering as an all-purpose explanation for the state of mainstream health beliefs and practices, and to be exasperated that more people don't open their minds and embrace the natural remedies that you and I might have found effective. I've felt the same way for much of 10+ years I've been on my own journey. But I've learned that there are very valid, important reasons for people to be cautious about fringe health practices and wary of the motives of those evangelizing them, so the onus is on us to respectful, patient, modest and prudent in the recommendations we make and the way we go about attempting to convince people of their merits. I've also come to learn that the need to evangelize on such practices is often more closely linked to a need to convince one's self of their efficacy, than to a sincere intent to do good by others. I've found that the more effective my own healing practices have actually turned out to be, and the more content I've become with my own health and life progress, the less I need to evangelize them to others. I think the same trend is evident in Michele's comments here on HN. None of this means we shouldn't try to help people where appropriate. But the way we go about trying to help people makes every bit of difference.