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Thanks for your feedback. As I said elsewhere in this thread, my presentation does appear a bit harsh when done in a comment section such as this one vs. how I

by aviv 9y ago

Thanks for your feedback. As I said elsewhere in this thread, my presentation does appear a bit harsh when done in a comment section such as this one vs. how I am in real life. I don't know if it makes sense to change it. It may seem counter intuitive, however it's been my experience that the harsh tone and somewhat trolling-like language IS what sparks some people to PM me and make initial contact, or at least open a new tab and start googling. I used to not be like this online, and I definitely see better response from my current style. (better in the sense that I think it results in more people taking it upon themselves to research this further). Yes, it has its drawbacks and my responses are usually at the bottom of any health-related thread on HN, but even this thread already got a few people to find my email (it's not hard) and send a quick note. The downvotes here and general negativity towards fasting does not paint the real picture. There are many silent voices out there who will not engage here fearing backlash from other users or even employers or potential customers. I'm always happy to and offer to jump on the phone with anyone who wants to talk and hear from a live anecdote or just be pointed in the right direction research-wise.

DoreenMichele 9y ago
Getting rate limited or banned may not serve your goal too well. And one would do well to set their ego aside and try to first do no harm. Getting converts to your fasting religion may feel like a rush, but you may wind up harming someone. It does not sound to me like you really want to look at the possibility that your cure may not be all that and a bag of chips, which just sets off alarm bells for me. I am a potential ally. I have done similar things. You choose to not engage those facts while justifying your admittedly trollish behavior. I don't think this speaks well of your motives. If you want to make the world a better place, the best place to start is with the man in the mirror.
- aviv 9y ago
  It's not about getting converts. That's the first problem here - that getting someone interested in a water fast as remedy to a disease is considered "cultish", some crazy conspiracy or religion. Seriously, have the pharmaceutical companies infected our minds this badly? That radiation seems normal and applauded as a great suggestion, but a water fast, simply the act of just resting and not eating.. is.. dangerous or some wild crazy tinfoil hat idea?
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    No, the first problem here is you are certain you have a cure. You will listen to nothing to the contrary. Anyone who has evidence or experience that contradicts yours is dismissed as not having fasted long enough. Your behavior is egomaniacal and casually callous. I have cystic fibrosis. I am getting well when doctors claim it cannot be done. I have been in your shoes in arguments. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and be constructive. But, sorry I engaged. Carry on with your knowingly and intentionally trollish goal of getting converts to your totally not a cult.
    - aviv 9y ago
      I have not seen or heard today of any evidence that says water fasting is either (a) harmful or (b) not useful. Do you have any sources? It is well known that fasts need to be from a few days to 40 days. I'm sure you've come across that 40-day number before if you're not entirely new to fasting.
      - DoreenMichele 9y ago
        I am pretty new to fasting. I don't know of the evidence you are pressing me for. The request tells me you don't actually understand what I am saying. So maybe take some time to digest it and if you ever want to really talk, my contact info is easy to find.
    - aviv 9y ago
      Also - why shouldn't I be certain that water fasting IS helpful and likely to cure many diseases? All the evidence I have and been exposed to shows precisely that. I'm not saying people should start it tomorrow. All I say is - research it, you will be introduced to an entirely different world of medicine. Yet you have no issue with people who have never even heard of this concept coming here and making definitive statements that this is all non-sense?
- aviv 9y ago
  Your last statement makes no sense. I already started with the man in the mirror. That man is arthritis-free since day 20 of a water fast 6 years ago. That man plays soccer every weekend, after not being able to for many years. I made my own world a better place. Friends and loved ones who listened to my real-life non-troll opinion are better off today. Every single one. A coworker who dismissed it 2 years ago came around a few months ago and said he's no longer diabetic. Nope - the doctors did not find a special pill just for him. No new injection discovered. He checked himself in to a fasting clinic and walked out a new man. I'll consider toning it down in the future. It will still be downvoted and the only difference will be less discussion, which will result in less attention from those who need it most. Me? I don't actually enjoy this. I spent a couple hours refreshing HN today just for this when I could have been doing something else. I choose what threads to comment on very carefully because I know HN is very science-oriented, but people will die waiting for the pharma companies to admit this.
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    Me? I don't actually enjoy this Then you are free to stop, no? I have one and only one person listening to what I have to say about my condition and getting better. I was you a few years ago. I have been doing this 17 years, not 6. Anyway. Probably just wasting your time and mine both. Ciao.
    - aviv 9y ago
      I'm curious if you don't mind sharing, how long was your longest water fast?
      - DoreenMichele 9y ago
        I do mind sharing. You clearly have an agenda. You are desperate for validation. You found a thing that works for you, you want to think it will work for everyone and ... Sigh. I have barely engaged you and I feel tired. Think on this: I am a potential ally, doing similar things. You are actively picking a fight with me and driving me away. Ask yourself: Why is that?

by aviv 9y ago

DoreenMichele 9y ago

Getting rate limited or banned may not serve your goal too well. And one would do well to set their ego aside and try to first do no harm. Getting converts to your fasting religion may feel like a rush, but you may wind up harming someone. It does not sound to me like you really want to look at the possibility that your cure may not be all that and a bag of chips, which just sets off alarm bells for me. I am a potential ally. I have done similar things. You choose to not engage those facts while justifying your admittedly trollish behavior. I don't think this speaks well of your motives. If you want to make the world a better place, the best place to start is with the man in the mirror.

aviv 9y ago
It's not about getting converts. That's the first problem here - that getting someone interested in a water fast as remedy to a disease is considered "cultish", some crazy conspiracy or religion. Seriously, have the pharmaceutical companies infected our minds this badly? That radiation seems normal and applauded as a great suggestion, but a water fast, simply the act of just resting and not eating.. is.. dangerous or some wild crazy tinfoil hat idea?
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  No, the first problem here is you are certain you have a cure. You will listen to nothing to the contrary. Anyone who has evidence or experience that contradicts yours is dismissed as not having fasted long enough. Your behavior is egomaniacal and casually callous. I have cystic fibrosis. I am getting well when doctors claim it cannot be done. I have been in your shoes in arguments. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and be constructive. But, sorry I engaged. Carry on with your knowingly and intentionally trollish goal of getting converts to your totally not a cult.
  - aviv 9y ago
    I have not seen or heard today of any evidence that says water fasting is either (a) harmful or (b) not useful. Do you have any sources? It is well known that fasts need to be from a few days to 40 days. I'm sure you've come across that 40-day number before if you're not entirely new to fasting.
    - DoreenMichele 9y ago
      I am pretty new to fasting. I don't know of the evidence you are pressing me for. The request tells me you don't actually understand what I am saying. So maybe take some time to digest it and if you ever want to really talk, my contact info is easy to find.
  - aviv 9y ago
    Also - why shouldn't I be certain that water fasting IS helpful and likely to cure many diseases? All the evidence I have and been exposed to shows precisely that. I'm not saying people should start it tomorrow. All I say is - research it, you will be introduced to an entirely different world of medicine. Yet you have no issue with people who have never even heard of this concept coming here and making definitive statements that this is all non-sense?
aviv 9y ago
Your last statement makes no sense. I already started with the man in the mirror. That man is arthritis-free since day 20 of a water fast 6 years ago. That man plays soccer every weekend, after not being able to for many years. I made my own world a better place. Friends and loved ones who listened to my real-life non-troll opinion are better off today. Every single one. A coworker who dismissed it 2 years ago came around a few months ago and said he's no longer diabetic. Nope - the doctors did not find a special pill just for him. No new injection discovered. He checked himself in to a fasting clinic and walked out a new man. I'll consider toning it down in the future. It will still be downvoted and the only difference will be less discussion, which will result in less attention from those who need it most. Me? I don't actually enjoy this. I spent a couple hours refreshing HN today just for this when I could have been doing something else. I choose what threads to comment on very carefully because I know HN is very science-oriented, but people will die waiting for the pharma companies to admit this.
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  Me? I don't actually enjoy this Then you are free to stop, no? I have one and only one person listening to what I have to say about my condition and getting better. I was you a few years ago. I have been doing this 17 years, not 6. Anyway. Probably just wasting your time and mine both. Ciao.
  - aviv 9y ago
    I'm curious if you don't mind sharing, how long was your longest water fast?
    - DoreenMichele 9y ago
      I do mind sharing. You clearly have an agenda. You are desperate for validation. You found a thing that works for you, you want to think it will work for everyone and ... Sigh. I have barely engaged you and I feel tired. Think on this: I am a potential ally, doing similar things. You are actively picking a fight with me and driving me away. Ask yourself: Why is that?