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Its strange that you take the names of CEOs and proceed to deduce that as a proof of them being good programmers. Most of them go to Ivy league engineering scho

by kamaal 9y ago

Its strange that you take the names of CEOs and proceed to deduce that as a proof of them being good programmers. Most of them go to Ivy league engineering schools, and then Ivy league management schools. And then from there straight jump into management barely spending any time at all in engineering. And the whole reason why they do engineering is largely because they need a bridge course to get into a masters level management degree. Once you get into a Ivy league management school, going wherever from there is essentially a networking activity not exactly a great indicator of your engineering performance. It helps to have friends in high places. Management positions have long been seen as replacements for IAS. The 1% you talk about parse XMLs at Google and Microsoft. The 99% parse the same XMLs at services firms. The 1% thinks they are special because of a association with a certain Ivy league brand name. Lets talk of the Indian 1% when somebody in a Indian university writes some thing the equivalent of a Linux, Perl or FreeBSD. Lets not over glorify these placement agencies as some institutes of engineering excellence. For what its worth the 99% what people generally berudge look down upon essentially is employed in Indias space programs that sends probes to mars and moon, built bulk of Indias pretty advanced tech defence infrastructure. Only thing IITians are good at is self worship.

Abishek_Muthian 9y ago
There's a reason for me quoting the CEO's as 'fun note', the context of my statement is complete different.
fizwhiz 9y ago
> Only thing IITians are good at is self worship. It's almost as though you've got an axe to grind with people having any respectable pedigree.
- kamaal 9y ago
  They did damage to their own selves by flashing their degrees as some kind of life long privilege, while contributing a net negative to the Indian economy(As their education is heavily subsidized at the Indian tax payers expense).
  - hsrada 9y ago
    > while contributing a net negative to the Indian economy (As their education is heavily subsidized at the Indian tax payers expense). Below a link to a study from '08 that tried to assess the contribution of IITs to the economy. Perhaps some numbers might change your mind? (It's incomplete but includes the executive summary.) https://www.ibef.org/download/Content_19dec.pdf https://www.ibef.org/download/Content_19dec.pdf Perhaps an article (from TOI nonetheless)? - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IITians-contribution-to-economy-is-Rs-20-lakh-crore-Study/articleshow/3752658.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IITians-contributi... Before you dismiss these with whatever reason, perhaps you can show some data to back up your point?
    - kamaal 9y ago
      Amount of non-IITians running/starting industries far exceeds in number. And they don't get the same funding or training or any human resources help in return. Of course if you run institutions for decades eventually good people are going to come out of it. But by and large most IITs are largely places to train people, and send them to foreign countries. Why should the tax payers pay for them? An argument could be made to spend this money to improve public schooling infrastructure in India. And people coming out of that obviously would contribute way more. The scenario is a net loss for Indian tax payers. This is way more in lost opportunity costs. Most of these arguments sound very similar the arguments against privatization in 1980s India. You can talk of the benefits of using tax payers money to manufacture bulbs while you don't invest the same money else where, where some thing real can happen. Please feel free to run IITs using fees or whatever endowments you can get. Also most of these people harp day and night about how awesome they are, makes sense to generate some IP, sell that and make some money to fund themselves.
      - hsrada 9y ago
        > Amount of non-IITians running/starting industries far exceeds in number. And they don't get the same funding... Can you give me a source on this? One that compares the economic contribution of students from the next-10 colleges in India and finds it to be more than that of the IITs. Because otherwise, you're comparing different sample sizes and your statement becomes trivially true as a result. > But by and large most IITs are largely places to train people, and send them to foreign countries. Try looking up statistics of what % of students go abroad immediately after graduating from an IIT. Perhaps that might help you revisit this assertion. > An argument could be made to spend this money to improve public schooling infrastructure in India. The government's already spending 10x on that than they are on Higher Education. (2009) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_India#Budget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_India#Budget How much would an extra 0.5x help.
jogjayr 9y ago
> Lets talk of the Indian 1% when somebody in a Indian university writes some thing the equivalent of a Linux, Perl or FreeBSD. Easy-peasy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_B._Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_B._Shah He didn't even go to IIT - regular University of Mumbai undergrad. Here's another: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nehanarkhede/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nehanarkhede/ - co-creator of Kafka, attended University of Pune for undergrad. I'll grant you they both benefited from attending grad school in the US.

by kamaal 9y ago

Abishek_Muthian 9y ago

There's a reason for me quoting the CEO's as 'fun note', the context of my statement is complete different.

fizwhiz 9y ago

> Only thing IITians are good at is self worship. It's almost as though you've got an axe to grind with people having any respectable pedigree.

kamaal 9y ago
They did damage to their own selves by flashing their degrees as some kind of life long privilege, while contributing a net negative to the Indian economy(As their education is heavily subsidized at the Indian tax payers expense).
- hsrada 9y ago
  > while contributing a net negative to the Indian economy (As their education is heavily subsidized at the Indian tax payers expense). Below a link to a study from '08 that tried to assess the contribution of IITs to the economy. Perhaps some numbers might change your mind? (It's incomplete but includes the executive summary.) https://www.ibef.org/download/Content_19dec.pdf https://www.ibef.org/download/Content_19dec.pdf Perhaps an article (from TOI nonetheless)? - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IITians-contribution-to-economy-is-Rs-20-lakh-crore-Study/articleshow/3752658.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IITians-contributi... Before you dismiss these with whatever reason, perhaps you can show some data to back up your point?
  - kamaal 9y ago
    Amount of non-IITians running/starting industries far exceeds in number. And they don't get the same funding or training or any human resources help in return. Of course if you run institutions for decades eventually good people are going to come out of it. But by and large most IITs are largely places to train people, and send them to foreign countries. Why should the tax payers pay for them? An argument could be made to spend this money to improve public schooling infrastructure in India. And people coming out of that obviously would contribute way more. The scenario is a net loss for Indian tax payers. This is way more in lost opportunity costs. Most of these arguments sound very similar the arguments against privatization in 1980s India. You can talk of the benefits of using tax payers money to manufacture bulbs while you don't invest the same money else where, where some thing real can happen. Please feel free to run IITs using fees or whatever endowments you can get. Also most of these people harp day and night about how awesome they are, makes sense to generate some IP, sell that and make some money to fund themselves.
    - hsrada 9y ago
      > Amount of non-IITians running/starting industries far exceeds in number. And they don't get the same funding... Can you give me a source on this? One that compares the economic contribution of students from the next-10 colleges in India and finds it to be more than that of the IITs. Because otherwise, you're comparing different sample sizes and your statement becomes trivially true as a result. > But by and large most IITs are largely places to train people, and send them to foreign countries. Try looking up statistics of what % of students go abroad immediately after graduating from an IIT. Perhaps that might help you revisit this assertion. > An argument could be made to spend this money to improve public schooling infrastructure in India. The government's already spending 10x on that than they are on Higher Education. (2009) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_India#Budget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_India#Budget How much would an extra 0.5x help.

jogjayr 9y ago

> Lets talk of the Indian 1% when somebody in a Indian university writes some thing the equivalent of a Linux, Perl or FreeBSD. Easy-peasy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_B._Shah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_B._Shah He didn't even go to IIT - regular University of Mumbai undergrad. Here's another: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nehanarkhede/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nehanarkhede/ - co-creator of Kafka, attended University of Pune for undergrad. I'll grant you they both benefited from attending grad school in the US.